Why isn't there? (Page 6): OldSchool-WI wrote: AF capabilities are largely in the lens mechanism. Not at all when you consider the AF functions of subject, face and eye tracking which...

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

OldSchool-WI wrote:
AF capabilities are largely in the lens mechanism.

Not at all when you consider the AF functions of subject, face and eye tracking which have become such assets these days.
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Why wouldn't you want the most control---and use pinpoint if the photo is planned and not just an---on the fly--in a crowd-catch? That is the accuracy of the lens and your micro-adjustment for pinpoint. Then, of course it goes without saying you apply "photo technique" with DOF--Circle of Confussion and all that we repeat over and over and over again?------

Grahame Loc: Fiji

OldSchool-WI wrote:

Why wouldn't you want the most control---and use pinpoint if the photo is planned and not just an---on the fly--in a crowd-catch?

But not all photos are planned are they. You mention "most control", but does it not occur to you that a sports photographer and likely a wildlife photographer may have 'more' control over what they capture along with the framing achieving superior results whilst at times being aided with such tools as subject/face/eye tracking AF.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

OldSchool-WI wrote:

If a serious pro photographer checks his/her exposure with white and gray cards, incident and reflected meters, color temp and flash meters, and measures distances. Why pay for a camera with those point and shoot features? Where is there a real pro-camera without those?

Old School ≠ Real Pro. And yes, in most cameras you can turn off all of the features that you are noting - in camera meter and iTTL flash exposure. Nothing stopping you from using external meters, white and gray cards for exposures, color temperature meters (though they were used in conjunction with Wratten CC filters and lots of testing with color reversal film to get something similar to accurate color rendition), and flash meters (which are still very relevant in studio work), and your trusty measuring tapes. These are not "pro" or "point and shoot" features. They're just more tools to make our lives easier.

The good sense to expose and compose correctly, regardless of what tools you choose to get there, is what makes it a pro experience, regardless of being Old School (Luddite), or New School (Adventurous Embracer of New Tech)

tcthome Loc: NJ

Ysarex wrote:

I use the internal meter in my camera and the camera's exposure aids to set a more accurate exposure than is possible using cards and hand light meters (I do shoot a WB reference card). I'm a pro-photographer who lives and works in the 21st century.

Me too! Use internal camera meter as a hobbyist. Every now & then, (maybe once or twice) I'll breakout the color Checker Passport.

Ollieboy

OldSchool-WI wrote:

The last I checked you could still buy a light tru... (show quote)

What's your point? If you don't like a feature, don't use it. It cost next to nothing for a manufacturer to include "fun" settings. When you buy a car would you ask the salesman to remove the power windows, electric door locks and so on? Your post is pointless.

w00dy4012 Loc: Thalia, East Virginia

Gene51 wrote:

Old School ≠ Real Pro. And yes, in most cameras yo... (show quote)

Canisdirus

Oh neat...another dead horse thread.

wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN

Mirrorless has changed my metering since I'm now able to see my exposure.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

Grahame wrote:

No doubt you are going to tell everyone, along with how many of them you have and the chances are that you will manage to include the word 'foveon' in there somewhere.

😜😜🤪😂🤣😂

johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle

When I'm at that golden age and forget to take my meds I want to be the fun "crazy" guy, not the troll on a photog forum.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

OldSchool-WI wrote:

If a serious pro photographer checks his/her exposure with white and gray cards, incident and reflected meters, color temp and flash meters, and measures distances. Why pay for a camera with those point and shoot features? Where is there a real pro-camera without those?

There’s no “pro camera” without those because there’s absolutely no market for it. Assuming there are a handful that actually never use those features it would take a lot more than that to support such a camera.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

OldSchool-WI wrote:

So Shapiro---what is your definition of a troll?

"Trolling is when someone makes a deliberatively provocative comment or post and waits for people to take the bait." https://www.esafety.gov.au/young-people/trolling

Here's a perfect example of trolling; "If a serious pro photographer checks his/her exposure with white and gray cards, incident and reflected meters, color temp and flash meters, and measures distances. Why pay for a camera with those point and shoot features? Where is there a real pro-camera without those?"

On face value the troll seems to be asking the question; "Where is there a real pro-camera without those?" But the question is insincere as the troll already knows his/her answer to the question and his/her agenda is to launch an assault -- people are calling themselves pros but their cameras don't meet his/her definition of a pro camera.

The language used gives away the underlying agenda immediately. You know what's coming by the third word in the post when the classification isn't pro-photographer but rather "serious" pro-photographer. Obviously those pro-photographers who don't have the troll's definition of a "real pro camera" can't really be "serious pro-photographers."

olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

OldSchool-WI wrote:

If a serious pro photographer checks his/her exposure with white and gray cards, incident and reflected meters, color temp and flash meters, and measures distances. Why pay for a camera with those point and shoot features? Where is there a real pro-camera without those?

Yes during my early film years, but with >50 yrs. of happy photography I can set up my shots almost anytime/anywhere and know what I'm going to get (and yes I can flub a setting/shot). I shoot strictly as a hobby now, but what I've learned over the decades seems to stay fresh when I pick up the camera - el-cheapo to super deluxe, if a camera works I can make something I like, or could sell.

cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX

The problem with the posts of E. L Shapiro and Burkphoto is that they bring wisdom and experience to a namecalling session. Clearly inappropriate behavior.

Irwin

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Oh, they're just showing off! They hold up the lighter meter and move it here and there. People watching him think, "Wow! That guy really knows what he's doing." Just leave it in Auto and click away.