Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

I am posting this so that I will at least not have my good name heaped into some statement that the Joy and Thanee post is some how similar to my work. This is also not meant to disparage the person of PEGo as anything like or akin to my work.

You may not 'like' my work, that is just fine by me. In no way am I looking for some on here for approval. Nor am I attempting to gain you grasp of certain realities about women, the 'belief' world, nor the acceptance that there is something beyond the vanilla world among the human population.

That said, perhaps one might find entry into a world that is beyond your common every day experiences. To get a view into a world that is perhaps beyond your experience. There are out there some interesting literary works that can help one to see beyond the vanilla world of the male dominated heterosexual environment that is still so main stream in our American society. The shock you see and feel today was equally a shock that many encountered after World war Two, that being propagated by Bettie Page, Marilyn Monroe and Elvis Presley.

Here then are three images made by myself during a 'Meet Up' type group shoot staged for average white middle class photographers at my studio. Normally I would not make images during group shoots in my studio, but I was doing a piece of performance art, not just a meet up style group shoot. The model is Patricia, her 'stage' name was Patty Cum Cakes, she is on Fetish Life and I knew her quite well. She is a extreme submissive female. She is not just African American, she is born from a mother who is from the Dominican Republic, a vary desirable pedigree for a young black woman in the fetish life style.

As I manipulated the different aspects of her performance, I took great care to follow all the symbolism and structure that is imprinted in the fetish community. One needs to view into the community and see past the idiocy of posers and know what is what and convey that to the viewer. So I will point out certain points of interest in these images and so hopefully assist with a better reading of what you are seeing. This is not meant to be condescending.

Oh, buy the way, the men witnessing this were to varying degrees uncomfortable with what was happing. They all stayed through the performance and several returned to ask questions about what had happened and why and how they felt.

The pose is not accidental, the blood red cloth, the nearly hidden but white hand, her turned head and the blood red lip stick around the mouth.

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Patty looked out to the group of men and repeated that "Master wanted me to do this modeling". Note that she wears a 'white' mask.

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The third and last image Patty wears a black mask, she is dominant, the device is for the act called 'pegging'.

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kpmac Loc: Ragley, La

I'm no prude but I go to other sites for that type of photography.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Consider this, the Hog, to be a "twofer"!

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

Tim, you have the zeal of a Jesuit trying to evangelize and "save" the natives. Except that if we follow your encouragement we will probably end up in hell, not heaven.

Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal

At some point "equality" needs to be a given.
Would this be different if she looked the same- just snow white?
Or if she ~looked~ like a skinny 16?
We look- then all the rest is a result of the baggage in our own heads.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

I am no prude, and I like naked women as much as the next guy, but is the purpose of this forum the art of photography or the dissemination of fetish pornography of mediocre (at best) quality?

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Let me illustrate this phenomenon of "the baggage in our heads", and so bring it on home to such a specific level that any and all will find some information that is applicable to each individual as well as the everyman.

An area of study of this "in our heads" is what is referred to as behavioral sciences. The Russian scientist Pavlov a hundred years ago researched this by feeding dogs while ringing a bell just prior to the food being delivered. If after a time the bell was rung, the dogs would salivate in anticipation of the anticipated food delivery. Then B.F. Skinner preformed more complex experiments culminating in his Skinner Box. There are many examples of this type of 'experiments' done by researchers.

Yet, one does not need to be doing research, merely creating social engineering of human beings. Time to bring it all home and point at the social engineering that mothers preform on their children and fathers either join in this activity though by not taking responsibility for planting in each child's mind conditioning. No child escapes this socialization. Each of us as this thrust upon us, like it or not. It is such a simple thing and everyone seems to be infused with this conditioning, that is, you are dressed when you have your shoes on. The counter is equally true, if you don't have your shoes on you are not capable of performing socially at your best. How much so? some 30 to 40% reduction in your socialization.

This information is quite important, yet we do not have this given to us as an important bit of knowledge about ourselves. So the old saw that sex is mainly in your head has a true illustration of just the why and how the wiring goes for sex, morals and even life choices.

These things are important, they define how and what we believe. The notion of being nude is not couched in the notion of being with out clothes, it is being out of your shoes! Odd isn't it!

Of course my mother nailed it when she would tell me, "Timothy, you think too much!" To which as I got on in years I countered with, "I disagree Thelma, it is not that I think too much, it is that I find most people don't think enough!"

Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana

You are one sick person.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Unusual, but the model is into this and if well photographed then it is part of the nude world. Yes, the majority of men are by very nature titillated by the female form. Timmers, You're defending yourself anticipating accusations and yes, they arrived. I will again mention Mapplethorpe and his controversial exhibit; at that time I was working in Nashville where the turmoil took place. In the courts, Art won. Similarly, Luther Campbell, 2Live Crew, was arrested for indecent song and gesture far exceeding the gyrations of Alvis Presley. In the supreme court, Campbell and freedom of speech won. Perhaps we need a Supreme Court case and an amendment for Freedom of View and Image.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/arts/design/why-mapplethorpe-still-matters.html
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/76606/time-supreme-court-ruled-favor-2-live-crew
https://variety.com/2020/music/news/2-live-crews-obscenity-trial-remembered-by-luther-campbell-and-doug-morris-30-years-later-1234812588/

The poses here are not extreme, #2 poses the question of why protect a chair no one would steal, #3 is an image dealing with the source of menstrual blood. That is to say, I look at these images and try to figure out the psychology and symbolism behind the images. Speaking of psychology, why the general fixation considered healthy, women's breasts, but the repulsion of photos showing pubic hair and heave forbid, labia with inner labia showing. Remember the magazine Hustler that had a peak circulation of around 3 million in the early 1980s, the labia were oiled and the focus of the magazine. Three million suggests an acceptance in the population, but some problems in the prude population and courts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler

I may be considered a sick individual, as Rab-Eye phrases it, but photo #1 my mind immediately was reminded of the perverted 1990's Christmas Story Lamp shown in a family TV program. How many find this image in poor taste especially because it was presented for family viewing and suggested dad's female anatomy fetish?

Alb Loc: Lehigh Valley area, Pennsylvania

Thank you, Ben

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

Same old, same old.

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.

Being wired differently in and of itself does not a sick person make. Timmers has shown that he functions in society successfully in a way that most of us do not. He is on the fringe, without a doubt, but his art has a value to people who are also on the fringe. In a free world, we must allow experimentation, and that often leads to disappointment, failure, and sickness of all sorts. Timmers has a sense of defiance, and I applaud that. As a person who created behavioral modification studies in college modeled after B. F. Skinner's studies, I think he is reaching for excuses as to why he is being subjected to Hog criticism. Nonetheless, if you are offended by his artwork, stop looking. He goes where no hog has gone before!

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gym Loc: Athens, Georgia

I agree with everything you said. I am not a fan of Timmers' work, but what he posts represents his interpretation of the art. And as you said, if you don't like it, don't look at it. It's like complaining about the "general quality" of work that's appearing on these pages. One of the REASONS these pages exist is for those who know their work needs improvement and they post here hoping for suggestions that will help them to improve. If you have no suggestions and you're seek only those posts (and there are some good ones) that actually SHOW you what excellent work looks like, then just move on to those fitting your needs.