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Dec 27, 2021 08:28:28   #
srt101fan
 
peterjoseph wrote:
About a month ago i had a cataract operation in one eye and was comparing my eyes by closing one and looking with the other and the colors were different. I was wondering which is correct and colors as seen by different people and did a Google Search and came up with these interesting facts.
Color perception is an exception. Women and men generally perceive colors differently. Women experience the world in warmer colors,for eg and can usually distinguish shades of red better than men. Men on the other hand are better able to perceive poor contrast and rapid movement. It is assumed that this has an evolutionary background. In primeval times women had to able to see red berries on a green bush for eg and men had to hunt wild animals.
In an experiment women were more adept at distinguishing between subtle gradations than were men. This sensitivity was most evident in the middle of the color spectrum with hues that were mainly yellow or green women were able to distinguish tiny differences.
Do people see different colors differently ?
We sometimes think of colors as objective properties of objects much like shape or volume. But research has found that we experience colors differently depending on gender, national origin, ethnicity, geographical location and what language we speak. There is nothing objective about colors.
Do different lenses have different colors?
Yes the lens design and construction can and does influence color reproduction. Different glass formulas and different coatings transmit frequencies of light differently and lens defects such as flare will likely affect the color reproduction.
There are small differences in our perception of color. I found this interesting and wanted to share .
Peter
About a month ago i had a cataract operation in o... (show quote)


Interesting topic. Thank you for posting. I wonder to what extent your color perception is affected by your mood. That is, can the way you see a color, the impression it makes on you, vary depending on your psychological state?

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Dec 27, 2021 08:42:45   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
peterjoseph wrote:
About a month ago i had a cataract operation in one eye and was comparing my eyes by closing one and looking with the other and the colors were different. I was wondering which is correct and colors as seen by different people and did a Google Search and came up with these interesting facts.
Color perception is an exception. Women and men generally perceive colors differently. Women experience the world in warmer colors,for eg and can usually distinguish shades of red better than men. Men on the other hand are better able to perceive poor contrast and rapid movement. It is assumed that this has an evolutionary background. In primeval times women had to able to see red berries on a green bush for eg and men had to hunt wild animals.
In an experiment women were more adept at distinguishing between subtle gradations than were men. This sensitivity was most evident in the middle of the color spectrum with hues that were mainly yellow or green women were able to distinguish tiny differences.
Do people see different colors differently ?
We sometimes think of colors as objective properties of objects much like shape or volume. But research has found that we experience colors differently depending on gender, national origin, ethnicity, geographical location and what language we speak. There is nothing objective about colors.
Do different lenses have different colors?
Yes the lens design and construction can and does influence color reproduction. Different glass formulas and different coatings transmit frequencies of light differently and lens defects such as flare will likely affect the color reproduction.
There are small differences in our perception of color. I found this interesting and wanted to share .
Peter
About a month ago i had a cataract operation in o... (show quote)


You are correct. All see colors differently even when in the same exact conditions side by side.

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Dec 27, 2021 08:47:16   #
Bison Bud
 
Maybe these differences might help to explain why so many of the photos I see on this site appear to have such over-saturated and intense colors. At least to me, color over-saturation is probably the most abused feature of post processing. I have generally chalked this up to the personal taste of the editor or possibly differences in the monitor color adjustments, but maybe I really do see things a bit differently.

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Dec 27, 2021 08:50:26   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Maybe these differences might help to explain why so many of the photos I see on this site appear to have such over-saturated and intense colors. At least to me, color over-saturation is probably the most abused feature of post processing. I have generally chalked this up to the personal taste of the editor or possibly differences in the monitor color adjustments, but maybe I really do see things a bit differently.

Hah, they are...

And it is a personal choice.

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Dec 27, 2021 08:57:37   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I had one eye done and at my yearly check-up, I mentioned the color difference and the doctor said that artists and photographers noticed.

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Dec 27, 2021 09:02:01   #
Bubbee Loc: Aventura, Florida
 
I can't resist:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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Dec 27, 2021 09:15:02   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
srt101fan wrote:
Interesting topic. Thank you for posting. I wonder to what extent your color perception is affected by your mood. That is, can the way you see a color, the impression it makes on you, vary depending on your psychological state?


Brings to mind " Seeing Red ".

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Dec 27, 2021 09:33:56   #
pendennis
 
From my own experience, let me offer this -

I have always had severe astigmatism, and years ago myopia. I'm also red/green color blind. With both conditions, I had no chance of being a military pilot.

I've always used an ophthalmologist as my primary eye care doctor. He gives me a very thorough exam every year, and nine years ago, I discussed cataracts with him. I'm blond, blue-eyed, and fair skin. Having blue eyes makes for increased chances of more severe cataracts. In 2013, after several peer panel reviews, I had the cataracts removed and the astigmatism (4.5 cylinder) corrected. The difference in color perception was stunning. I could see colors, even in the red/green spectrum more vividly than in my wildest dreams. While I still test a bit color blind in the red/green spectrum, the severity has been very much abated.

I've scanned thousands of images from original negatives and transparencies, and without any post editing color enhancement, the original colors now pop quite a bit.

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Dec 27, 2021 09:48:28   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
paulrph1 wrote:
I have often wondered about peripheral difference from men and women.


Yes, interesting too. The only experience I have with that is that my wife has practically none. Yet, she reads far quicker than I do but I notice motion faster. Our dogs can see small flies move.

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Dec 27, 2021 09:50:24   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
MrBob wrote:
Interesting post. During research on cataracts before my operation I learned that Monet was NOT happy with the color of his paintings AFTER his late in life cataract operation... I imagine he had gotten used to the warmish tones .


Monet? When exactly did he live? Cataract surgery then?

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Dec 27, 2021 09:53:21   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
rlv567 wrote:
Three years ago, at age 91, I had the cataract operation on my left eye. The difference it made between the left and right was remarkable; in the right eye, white was not white, but yellowish and a little hazy. This was corrected when I had the operation on my right eye a year later.

Just prior to the operations, and as a result of someone's comments here, I had taken the on-line Munsell 100-hue color test, which indicates the degree to which one can discriminate between very similar shades of the same color. From my score it was apparent that I was about one in 10,000 - as I scored 100%. A year ago, I took the test again, and missed 4 out of the 100, still apparently most remarkable.

I have looked on the Internet today, trying to find the test again, so I could post the location here, but was unable to find it! Instead, there are sites with what they call the Farnsworth-Munsell Test, but it only uses 40 colors - not nearly as critical a test. There is, however, good description of the various factors involved in "seeing" color, found at:
https://www.xrite.com/blog/color-perception-part-1, all of which is quite interesting (and informative).

I have attached a screenshot of the original test (obviously, before I took it).

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Three years ago, at age 91, I had the cataract ope... (show quote)


That test has been simplified but it's still available: https://www.xrite.com/hue-test

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Dec 27, 2021 09:57:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Monet? When exactly did he live? Cataract surgery then?


First cataract surgery 1747.
Monet, 1840-1926.

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Dec 27, 2021 14:05:19   #
User ID
 
peterjoseph wrote:
About a month ago i had a cataract operation in one eye and was comparing my eyes by closing one and looking with the other and the colors were different. I was wondering which is correct and colors as seen by different people and did a Google Search and came up with these interesting facts.
Color perception is an exception. Women and men generally perceive colors differently. Women experience the world in warmer colors,for eg and can usually distinguish shades of red better than men. Men on the other hand are better able to perceive poor contrast and rapid movement. It is assumed that this has an evolutionary background. In primeval times women had to able to see red berries on a green bush for eg and men had to hunt wild animals.
In an experiment women were more adept at distinguishing between subtle gradations than were men. This sensitivity was most evident in the middle of the color spectrum with hues that were mainly yellow or green women were able to distinguish tiny differences.
Do people see different colors differently ?
We sometimes think of colors as objective properties of objects much like shape or volume. But research has found that we experience colors differently depending on gender, national origin, ethnicity, geographical location and what language we speak. There is nothing objective about colors.
Do different lenses have different colors?
Yes the lens design and construction can and does influence color reproduction. Different glass formulas and different coatings transmit frequencies of light differently and lens defects such as flare will likely affect the color reproduction.
There are small differences in our perception of color. I found this interesting and wanted to share .
Peter
About a month ago i had a cataract operation in o... (show quote)

Thank you. People need to know that ... and the posted info is just the tip of the iceberg. But at least it informs folks that there is no singular globally “objective” view of any scene.

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Dec 27, 2021 14:18:18   #
User ID
 
rlv567 wrote:
Three years ago, at age 91, I had the cataract operation on my left eye. The difference it made between the left and right was remarkable; in the right eye, white was not white, but yellowish and a little hazy. This was corrected when I had the operation on my right eye a year later.

Just prior to the operations, and as a result of someone's comments here, I had taken the on-line Munsell 100-hue color test, which indicates the degree to which one can discriminate between very similar shades of the same color. From my score it was apparent that I was about one in 10,000 - as I scored 100%. A year ago, I took the test again, and missed 4 out of the 100, still apparently most remarkable.

I have looked on the Internet today, trying to find the test again, so I could post the location here, but was unable to find it! Instead, there are sites with what they call the Farnsworth-Munsell Test, but it only uses 40 colors - not nearly as critical a test. There is, however, good description of the various factors involved in "seeing" color, found at:
https://www.xrite.com/blog/color-perception-part-1, all of which is quite interesting (and informative).

I have attached a screenshot of the original test (obviously, before I took it).

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Three years ago, at age 91, I had the cataract ope... (show quote)


(Download)

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Dec 27, 2021 16:34:23   #
alx Loc: NJ
 
Many years ago, when I was learning color printing and color balancing in the darkroom, I noticed there was a slight difference in the color balance between my 2 eyes with the left eye having a very slight yellow shift. That did not come as a surprise to me, but it did get me to thinking, what IF different people had VERY different color perceptions? Not just you seeing slightly more yellow images than I, but the mind creating "pictures" of totally swapped colors. Instead of BLUE, their mind sees RED?

This would not be determinable. In looking at a color chart, from the time they were born, they would be told that the BLUE square was BLUE. They would know nothing else. Even if their mental picture was RED, they would tell you "that's the BLUE square". The examiner would have no way of realizing their subject was in a totally different "color universe" since they would have both learned that the word for BLUE was BLUE, regardless of how the brain pictured it.

Considering the psychological interpretations and effects that color has on people, how might this influence the person on many levels throughout the scope of their life and mental balance?

A weird and obscure concept, but one I've frequently come back to and considered in life.

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