Camera
Dec 23, 2021 20:32:18 #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
That doesn't answer. Athletes are used to distractions. What about the administrators? Do they ban flash. Available light in indoor sports is not all that great.----ew
They usually do not like or allow flash. It’s disracting to the players. How would you like to be trying to make a play with a flash blasting you in the eyes? Just asking.
I shot an entire days girls volley ball tournament using my D810 (at the time) with a 70-200mm f 2.8. I was the most requested photographer at the event.
Dec 23, 2021 20:35:40 #
OldSchool-WI
Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
TriX wrote:
But Alan, there are more factors that contribute t... (show quote)
But do the better low light ISOs relate to the FF size or the price tag of the unit?---What fraction of a FF are the best camera sensors in mm?----ew
Dec 23, 2021 20:42:12 #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
But do the better low light ISOs relate to the FF size or the price tag of the unit?---What fraction of a FF are the best camera sensors in mm?----ew
Usually the price tag of the unit is its capture capabilities. Mostly megapixels. Most Digital cameras today offer lots of high ISO capabilities. Shooting sports, a lot falls on the lens capabilities and not so much the camera. That’s my opinion.
Dec 23, 2021 20:51:00 #
Jules Karney wrote:
I am looking to add to my gear. I am looking for a camera for basketball, great on noise. I have Nikon gear so I was looking for comments and suggestions on maybe a Nikon D750 or D5. The 500 just isn't getting it done.
Jules
Jules
Have you checked out the D780? I’m really liking it.
Dec 23, 2021 20:59:17 #
gcolegate1 wrote:
Two shots taken, one with a D500 and the other with a D850.
Second shot is cleaner without a doubt.
Dec 23, 2021 21:00:57 #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Don't they allow for flash in schools anymore?-----ew
no flash on any events here in Las Vegas.
Dec 23, 2021 21:05:37 #
Jules Karney wrote:
Not going to work. I am shooting at iso 5000 to 8000 and the noise at 100% is terrible. I shoot with a 70-200 2.8 24-70 2.8 still not the quality I am looking for.
Thanks for chiming in.
Thanks for chiming in.
The D5 will gain about one stop of noise reduction for the same ISO. In some circumstances, that might be enough. I would look at very fast primes as being a decent alternative. A D5 with f/1.2 to f/1.8 primes would give you another stop or two.
That said, I really don't understand the fuss. I photographed high school Friday night football and basketball back in the 1970s using Nikon FTns and f/1.4 to f/2 primes with Tri-X pushed to E.I. 1280 in Acufine or E.I. 2400 in Diafine with acceptable results. Yes, there was slight motion blur... it was a special effect. And no, we didn't have auto winders or autofocus or auto-exposure back then!
You guys doing sports in 2021 have it easy, by comparison.
It IS color, there IS less noise/grain, and it IS sharper. But is the moment any better?Dec 23, 2021 21:06:34 #
Jules Karney wrote:
I am looking to add to my gear. I am looking for a camera for basketball, great on noise. I have Nikon gear so I was looking for comments and suggestions on maybe a Nikon D750 or D5. The 500 just isn't getting it done.
Jules
Jules
Howdy Jules - I'm getting ready to sell my D5. I've got a Z9 on order. The clicks are a little hi (167,100 clicks) but it is in really good shape. If you are interested give me a PM and I'll send you some pics and any other details you would like
You have seen my work
Dec 23, 2021 21:19:09 #
burkphoto wrote:
The D5 will gain about one stop of noise reduction... (show quote)
We try for the moments that kids can share the rest of their lives.
Dec 23, 2021 21:25:48 #
OldSchool-WI
Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
coolhanduke wrote:
Usually the price tag of the unit is its capture capabilities. Mostly megapixels. Most Digital cameras today offer lots of high ISO capabilities. Shooting sports, a lot falls on the lens capabilities and not so much the camera. That’s my opinion.
I see I left out a word in my comment above and filed to re-read. I meant to point to the small physical dimensions of "phone sensors."----ew
Dec 23, 2021 21:28:16 #
Spirit Vision Photography wrote:
Have you checked out the D780? I’m really liking it.
I will check it out, thank you.
Dec 23, 2021 21:54:20 #
Jules, I'm experiencing the same issue with my D500... Am mostly using my Z6ii that I did not buy for sports! But it is doing much better than my D500. I can't go back to my D750 with its small focus area (I think I am spoiled with mirrorless). So, selling my D750 and D500 for a Z9!
Dec 23, 2021 21:57:57 #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
But do the better low light ISOs relate to the FF size or the price tag of the unit?---What fraction of a FF are the best camera sensors in mm?----ew
It relates to Photosite size and technology. The D5 is so good because it is recent technology, is FF AND the pixel area is very large because it was optimized for high ISO (and high frame rate), rather than high resolution. For comparison, the D5 pixel area is just over 40 um, while the D850, which is optimized for resolution is just over 18 um. As to the cost, it’s a pro level camera, built to be ultra rugged and stand up to professional use. Btw, the sizes I reference above are the pixel area, in square um (I can’t insert a superscript on this device), not the pixel pitch.
When you’re shooting in this corner case, which is very demanding, fast lenses are important, but there is a limit. You may have an 85 f1.2, but you’ll likely have it stopped down to f2 - f2.8 or so because you need a DOF larger than 6” to keep the the player’s body in focus. I usually shoot a 70-200 f2.8L generally wide open, but I also use a 135 f2L prime some because of the lighter weight over long periods. Btw, Flash is not allowed in any of the venues where I shoot.
Dec 23, 2021 22:47:07 #
Tennisdude
Loc: Port Orchard, Washington
I've worked for newspapers for 15 years and shot Trix film 1600 Asa Film 250 at 2.8 in most gyms in this area. Film was developed in accufine for 8 minutes. Now shoot with a Nikon D80 with 8o -200mm 2.8 at 640 asa 250 at f2.8 and have not had any problems and quality. Hope this helps.
Dec 24, 2021 02:04:21 #
OldSchool-WI
Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
Jules Karney wrote:
no flash on any events here in Las Vegas.
That figures! As I say---if an athlete is distracted--not much of an athlete.----
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