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Dec 14, 2021 15:06:07   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
ollie wrote:
I just had a gas attack and bought a new apple tabletop computer. I've been using photoshop 6 on my old computer Its my understanding that now its all in "the cloud" and I'll have to go there to process my pictures, most of which are shot in raw. I use photomatix for HDR. If the above is true, it has been suggested that I might want Lightroom instead of Photoshop. I am a minimalist with my processing. Almost never use cloning and primarily just adjust exposure levels and cropping. I shoot with a Nikon D800, D7100 and D7500 if that makes any difference. Suggestions for the new computer set up would be appreciated. Photoshop..lightroom...photomatix... What the best way to go
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Elements

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Dec 14, 2021 15:21:31   #
Expattyke
 
A lot of photographers can’t stand the idea of their images being anywhere but on their hard drive. They also want to ALWAYS have access to image refinement tools they only use RARELY. If you subscribe to these restrictions, please stop reading. Another way of looking at things is that Adobe has provided a suite of tools that give you a huge amount of flexibility in how you store and manipulate images, and the ability to publish them on the fly, from wherever you happen to be. When you find that outstanding image that’s worth investing a lot of time in, use a computer with classic. When you want to quickly share polished images right after taking the shots, use the phone or tablet versions. All the while knowing that Adobe’s sync tools will ensure you can refine them on a computer later, if the need arises.

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Dec 14, 2021 18:34:33   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Gene51 wrote:
Adobe uses their cloud in different ways - it uses the cloud to deliver software/updates/upgrades and for monthly license verification, quickly and efficiently. It also houses all of their applications, in the event you want to try some. And if you purchase storage space, it allows you to save images to the cloud for collaboration and image delivery - just like any other cloud service. It is not cloud-based computing - they host no applications. All applications are on your local machine.

This should lend some clarity:

https://prodesigntools.com/adobe-creative-cloud-myths.html

You can no longer legitimately buy perpetual licenses for their software other than Elements. But you can't upgrade Elements, you can only replace them with newer purchased versions.

Lightroom has some seriously powerful editing capabilities for a raw converter, but it's unique in that it has a comprehensive image file management system that is catalog-based. It is not, however, a raster editor like Photoshop. You can get Lightroom subscription by itself, or for $10/mo you can get both LR and PS. You cannot get PS by itself.
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sage advise.

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Dec 14, 2021 20:59:04   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ollie wrote:
I just had a gas attack and bought a new apple tabletop computer. I've been using photoshop 6 on my old computer Its my understanding that now its all in "the cloud" and I'll have to go there to process my pictures, most of which are shot in raw. I use photomatix for HDR. If the above is true, it has been suggested that I might want Lightroom instead of Photoshop. I am a minimalist with my processing. Almost never use cloning and primarily just adjust exposure levels and cropping. I shoot with a Nikon D800, D7100 and D7500 if that makes any difference. Suggestions for the new computer set up would be appreciated. Photoshop..lightroom...photomatix... What the best way to go
I just had a gas attack and bought a new apple tab... (show quote)


Just use the free Nikon software.

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Dec 15, 2021 00:00:30   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
ollie wrote:
I just had a gas attack and bought a new apple tabletop computer. I've been using photoshop 6 on my old computer Its my understanding that now its all in "the cloud" and I'll have to go there to process my pictures, most of which are shot in raw. I use photomatix for HDR. If the above is true, it has been suggested that I might want Lightroom instead of Photoshop. I am a minimalist with my processing. Almost never use cloning and primarily just adjust exposure levels and cropping. I shoot with a Nikon D800, D7100 and D7500 if that makes any difference. Suggestions for the new computer set up would be appreciated. Photoshop..lightroom...photomatix... What the best way to go
I just had a gas attack and bought a new apple tab... (show quote)


As noted by others, LR/PS is a package deal. It is also an ecosystem which you can obviously use as much or as little as you want. There are actually two versions of Lightroom that Adobe offers, the desk top, Lightroom Classic and the online version called just Lightroom. Adobe has three different photographic plans. Two of them involving Lightroom Classic and one that is just the Online version of LR and probably will include the up coming online version of Photoshop. My guess is that you would not want this last plan since all your pictures would be stored in the cloud. The real power of LRC is its data base and the fact that it is a non destructive editor. If you get the LRC plan you have access to everything in the Adobe ecosystem. If this is all over kill for you then maybe you should consider Adobe Elements. You pay once for the program then only update when you think it has new features that you want. Elements has many of the features of Lightroom Classic and photoshop.

I have the LRC/PS monthly subscription. It is definitely worth the $120 a year.

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Dec 15, 2021 21:16:03   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
1) It is not in the cloud. Only the installers for the software are in the cloud. And only the images YOU DECIDE to put in the cloud are there. The rest are local, on your hard drives or SSDs. But ALL the software runs locally, except for a few Photoshop neural filters.

2) There are TWO Lightrooms. The "cloudy" one, Lightroom, which used to be Lightroom Mobile, does rely on the Adobe Cloud service to move your images among all your computers, smartphones, and tablets. I don't use it, so I won't mention it again. But Lightroom CLASSIC, the one developed for professionals and now at version 11.0.1, runs mostly on your local computer. It can USE the Adobe Cloud, but most of us don't bother doing that.

3) Lightroom Classic and Photoshop are designed to work together.

Lightroom Classic is a "hub" of your workflow:

> It is an IMAGE DATABASE (Adobe calls it a catalog-based image library).
> It is a CULL EDITOR (It uses a light table motif to allow you to locate images quickly. Then you can view them individually, or compare a couple side by side.)
> It is a RATING TOOL (Use 0-5 stars to rate your images)
> It is a METADATA tool (Add details about your images individually or in bulk, to aid in searching the catalog for them later.)

> It has a NON-DESTRUCTIVE, PARAMETRIC editor. (You see proxies of your images. Raw files are developed in LrC using Adobe Camera Raw, the same as they would be in Adobe Bridge ACR or Photoshop ACR. The same ACR serves all three, with different interfaces in each of them. The proxies change dynamically as you make changes on screen. ORIGINAL FILES ARE NEVER ALTERED. They remain in place, as LrC stores instructions for use during Export, Print, Post to Web, or Edit in Photoshop — or another external editor — operations.)

When you need more tools than Lightroom Classic has, hitting Command+E starts Photoshop, hands it a TIFF or PSD of your image (created right then, based on instructions stored in Lightroom). You make changes in Photoshop. When you save the file, it is stored on disk, BUT it shows up in Lightroom Classic, next to the original in the catalog! The same can happen with your other imaging application. You can configure LrC to use as many external editors as you wish.

In short, there is no argument: It's not "Lightroom Classic vs. Photoshop," but rather, "Lightroom Classic AND Photoshop." They are completely different toolsets with different purposes.

LrC was designed to do most of what professionals do to manage their images' basic development and editing after a session. Photoshop is meant as a FINISHING tool for retouching, color separations for offset printing, adding text, applying layer effects and filters, and more.

Photoshop is a "black hole time sucker." You can fall into an image and spend hours on it, before you realize you need to get real work done. Lightroom was aimed at keeping working pros on schedule by just doing the essential tasks as efficiently as possible.
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Well summarized as most of your posts, especially the concept it is not A vs B but A AND B!!!!!

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Dec 15, 2021 22:34:25   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
pithydoug wrote:
Well summarized as most of your posts, especially the concept it is not A vs B but A AND B!!!!!


Yep. Epoxy.

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Dec 17, 2021 15:27:31   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
cahale wrote:
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Dec 18, 2021 11:42:15   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
burkphoto wrote:
1) It is not in the cloud. Only the installers for the software are in the cloud. And only the images YOU DECIDE to put in the cloud are there. The rest are local, on your hard drives or SSDs. But ALL the software runs locally, except for a few Photoshop neural filters.

2) There are TWO Lightrooms. The "cloudy" one, Lightroom, which used to be Lightroom Mobile, does rely on the Adobe Cloud service to move your images among all your computers, smartphones, and tablets. I don't use it, so I won't mention it again. But Lightroom CLASSIC, the one developed for professionals and now at version 11.0.1, runs mostly on your local computer. It can USE the Adobe Cloud, but most of us don't bother doing that.

3) Lightroom Classic and Photoshop are designed to work together.

Lightroom Classic is a "hub" of your workflow:

> It is an IMAGE DATABASE (Adobe calls it a catalog-based image library).
> It is a CULL EDITOR (It uses a light table motif to allow you to locate images quickly. Then you can view them individually, or compare a couple side by side.)
> It is a RATING TOOL (Use 0-5 stars to rate your images)
> It is a METADATA tool (Add details about your images individually or in bulk, to aid in searching the catalog for them later.)

> It has a NON-DESTRUCTIVE, PARAMETRIC editor. (You see proxies of your images. Raw files are developed in LrC using Adobe Camera Raw, the same as they would be in Adobe Bridge ACR or Photoshop ACR. The same ACR serves all three, with different interfaces in each of them. The proxies change dynamically as you make changes on screen. ORIGINAL FILES ARE NEVER ALTERED. They remain in place, as LrC stores instructions for use during Export, Print, Post to Web, or Edit in Photoshop — or another external editor — operations.)

When you need more tools than Lightroom Classic has, hitting Command+E starts Photoshop, hands it a TIFF or PSD of your image (created right then, based on instructions stored in Lightroom). You make changes in Photoshop. When you save the file, it is stored on disk, BUT it shows up in Lightroom Classic, next to the original in the catalog! The same can happen with your other imaging application. You can configure LrC to use as many external editors as you wish.

In short, there is no argument: It's not "Lightroom Classic vs. Photoshop," but rather, "Lightroom Classic AND Photoshop." They are completely different toolsets with different purposes.

LrC was designed to do most of what professionals do to manage their images' basic development and editing after a session. Photoshop is meant as a FINISHING tool for retouching, color separations for offset printing, adding text, applying layer effects and filters, and more.

Photoshop is a "black hole time sucker." You can fall into an image and spend hours on it, before you realize you need to get real work done. Lightroom was aimed at keeping working pros on schedule by just doing the essential tasks as efficiently as possible.
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Excellent summary to which I would add a few comments about the integration with the cloud based LR. I synchronize a number of my collections made in LR Classic to the cloud based version so that I can see those collections, on my phone or other devices at any time and any place I have have service. Another advantage is that you can make a synchronized collection "public," which will create a link that you can then send to clients or anyone else you'd like to see that particular collection. You can remove that link any time you desire.

For example, I recently sent an editor a link to a collection of shots. She then told me the 5 or 6 she wanted to use. I then Dropboxed her the high res images. Much faster than trying to upload Dropbox 40 or so full res images which she would then have to download.

Irwin

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