redlegfrog

I did some reading on the Spanish flu in 1918. It came and went, up and down for over 2 years then it went away. Why? because it mutated into a version that didn't have want it takes to kill people.
Are we making a mistake with vaccinations? Are we retarding the virus's chance to mutate into something less
deadly like the Omnicrom?
Maybe we should just vax the high risk folks and let all the healthy people get the flu and get well which will give there natural immunity.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

It appears “Rampant Stupidity” is a (or THE) major cause . . . .

Nalle Loc: Tellus

redlegfrog

My Grandmother died from that flu. She was 21 and lived out in the middle of nowhere Kansas. How did it finder her?
A neighbor said she went from healthy to dead in 4 days.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Some say that's where it started, in Kansas. Something to do with bird migrations and hogs.

This is an excellent read.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/

redlegfrog

That was a good article, thank you.

btbg

I believe you are correct. There has never been any reason to vaccinate people under 40 in otherwise good health against covid. The risk of side effects in the young are greater than the risk of serious illness or death from the disease.

Not only that, this isn't even a vaccine that prevents you from getting or transmitting the disease. It just lowers the chance of getting seriously ill, and reduces the transmission rate. So, the vaccine is not going to stop the disease from spreading. Absolutely no benefit to vaccinating those in otherwise good health given the parameters of both the virus and the vaccine.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Oh!!!

“””” It just lowers the chance of getting seriously ill, and reduces the transmission rate. So, the vaccine is not going to stop the disease from spreading
“””


So “reduces the transmission rate” has nothing to do with “ stop the disease from spreading”



That’s all huh.!!!

btbg

It does not stop transmission. It only slows it. That won't stop the disease from spreading. Just think through previous diseases. If the polio vaccine did not stop you from getting polio, and did not stop you from spreading it, it just slowed the rate of transmission think through what that would mean.

If you didn't yet know you had it, you would then mix with people who did not have it, and you would continue to spread the disease. That is exactly what is happening with covid.

If it lowers the transmission rate by 60 percent, but the person who has been vaccinated and does not know he is infected continues to mingle with others, versus someone who is unvaccinated but knows he is sick and quarantines, who is going to spread the virus to the most people.

That's the whole problem. We don't know. They may end up spreading it even farther than the unvaccinated person does. And, the bigger problem with the vaccine is that after a few months it no longer works as well, but the individual who has been vaccinated still believes they are safe.

Look at the data from other countries who got their citizens vaccinated more quickly initially than we did. They are seeing spikes in the disease now. Same thing in the states that have the highest early vaccination rate in the U.S. they are now all seeing spikes in their cases. The vaccine is not stopping the spread of the virus. It may be slowing it, but it is not stopping it.

And, if it does not stop it, but does slow it, it is only prolonging the pandemic. And, you continue to ignore that there is no medical reason for the young and healthy to take this particular vaccine as it does nothing for them, and they have, however small, a risk of serious side effects. Would you take any kind of medical treatment where the risk of side effects is greater than the risk from the disease? I sincerely doubt it, yet we are forcing exactly that choice on our high school and college students, even though it is not preventing the virus from spreading.

Don't believe that, look at the University of Pennsylvania. They are currently seeing a huge spike in cases among their students despite the fact that no one can get on campus without being vaccinated.

You seem to be so worried about the risk to you from the virus that you are failing to look at the risk to others from the vaccine, and at whether or not the vaccine is actually stopping the spread of the disease. It clearly is not as approximately 70 percent of the country is fully vaccinated, but cases are spiking to higher levels than prior to us even having a vaccine.

redlegfrog

Well Said!

btbg

Ok, Denny, here is a better explanation of why the vaccine is not going to stop the spread of the virus.

https://acesparks.com/40-of-coronavirus-cases-are-asymptomatic-study-finds/

Look at what is buried near the bottom of the article. "Vaccines themselves can also contribute to an increase in asymptomatic infections, Wells said, because they are very effective against serious illnesses and eliminate the symptoms of an infectious infection." In other words because they don't know they have it, people who are vaccinated are unknowingly spreading the virus.

That might not matter, but if you look higher in the article they now believe that those who are asymptomatic are at greater risk of getting the virus a second time as they do not have as robust immunity to the virus. That means that the vaccines may well just be helping to keep the virus around longer.

BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

But, the very last sentence in the article you posted/reference....

Vaccination is always good.

btbg

Why should an otherwise healthy high school kid get vaccinated? The risk of side effects from the vaccine is higher than the risk of the kid getting seriously ill from the virus.

And, this vaccine is not like normal vaccines. It neither prevents an individual from getting the virus nor from transmitting it? In fact, the vaccine appears to only be effective for a short period of time.

If you want proof, just look at what is going on in the NFL right now. Yesterday the NFL had 38 positive covid tests despite the fact that they have a well over 90 percent vaccination rate. In fact, some of the teams who are 100 percent vaccinated are still getting positive tests. Monday just hours before their game the Rams lost a handful of players. On Tuesday the league shut down their entire facility.

Both the NHL and the NBA have not had a number of games postponed or canceled. Not one individual from any professional sports franchise has been hospitalized nor had serious symptoms from the virus, including the handful who have refused to get vaccinated. So, you tell me. Why should a healthy young adult get the vaccine, when it doesn't keep them from getting the virus?

The elderly should absolutely get the vaccine for their own protection. And they should probably get boosters as well, since the protection from the vaccine doesn't seem to last more than a few months. But professional sports prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that vaccination programs are not stopping the spread of the virus. So, give me one good reason that a young healthy individual should get vaccinated. Just one. I will be waiting.

BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

SHEET!

Why should a child get FOUR vaccinations before entering school?

This is NOT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL!

btbg

It's not? What do you think our Constitution is all about. It's about individual rights.