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Dec 5, 2021 00:46:05   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
KindaSpikey wrote:
I really believe that a watermark is the best way to prevent the unauthorized use of any image that holds "value" for you. It may not protect you legally,, but it may dissuade unscrupulous people from using, selling or claiming them as their own, and if they do re-post them they will be putting your name out there too, (free advertising). In the rare instances where people are determined to use them they might try to edit the watermark out with photoshop, etc, but that would be time consuming and could spoil the image. Of course, this is just my own opinion, but it seems like the best solution for me.
AND of course, the BEST way to prevent unauthorized use of your work, is not to post it on any platforms (such as Facebook), in the first place, but I understand, sometimes pride in a particular shot is very tempting to share. Just be careful and have fun!
I really believe that a watermark is the best way ... (show quote)


It doesn't take much knowledge to remove watermarks in almost any editor these days. There was a time when posting very low resolution pictures might have made a difference but now with Giggapixal and other similar programs doing such a great job, that might not help either.

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Dec 5, 2021 02:38:59   #
tinwhistle
 
I don't spend a lot of time on this forum, or any other, too busy taking pictures. Also, I did not read all 5 pages of comments, but I would like to add my opinion on this topic. I do not make a living on photography, but I make enough to cover expenses and support my "gear head" persona and I never post images on line. In fact, I rarely post an image here on UHH. Good, bad, or indifferent they are my images and I'm selfish. The thing is, where is that "lifted" image going and what is it going to represent when it's gone? I like to have control over what is mine. Thanks for letting me vent...



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Dec 5, 2021 04:10:33   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
lreisner wrote:
It doesn't take much knowledge to remove watermarks in almost any editor these days. There was a time when posting very low resolution pictures might have made a difference but now with Giggapixal and other similar programs doing such a great job, that might not help either.


Yeah, while I agree with your point, I think you'd be surprised how few people actually know of what software to use, and also how to use it, especially the "image thieves" you're likely to find on Facebook et al. The suggestion is obviously not foolproof, (nothing is going to be perfect), but if it only stopped 50%, that's still an improvement over doing nothing, and it's quick to implement and costs nothing.

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Dec 5, 2021 07:36:33   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
KindaSpikey wrote:
Yeah, while I agree with your point, I think you'd be surprised how few people actually know of what software to use, and also how to use it, especially the "image thieves" you're likely to find on Facebook et al. The suggestion is obviously not foolproof, (nothing is going to be perfect), but if it only stopped 50%, that's still an improvement over doing nothing, and it's quick to implement and costs nothing.


About half of what separates a successful photographer from their peers is an ability to remove the watermark.

But, I agree, a watermark is more than likely to encourage most image thieves to move onto the next un-marked image.

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Dec 5, 2021 10:57:09   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
About half of what separates a successful photographer from their peers is an ability to remove the watermark.

But, I agree, a watermark is more than likely to encourage most image thieves to move onto the next un-marked image.


Fair point.

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Dec 5, 2021 14:23:10   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
About half of what separates a successful photographer from their peers is an ability to remove the watermark.

But, I agree, a watermark is more than likely to encourage most image thieves to move onto the next un-marked image.

You're absolutely right Paul, (as usual) lol, the watermark thing wasn't really targeting professional photographers though, I'd be surprised if any of them didn't know how to get rid of it, and hopefully, (maybe a little naively), they are not the people "stealing" images, but rather the scumbags hanging out on places like Facebook etc. But like I said, the only 100% protection is to not post anything you value in the first place. Hope you have a great day!

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Dec 5, 2021 14:36:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
KindaSpikey wrote:
You're absolutely right Paul, (as usual) lol, the watermark thing wasn't really targeting professional photographers though, I'd be surprised if any of them didn't know how to get rid of it, and hopefully, (maybe a little naively), they are not the people "stealing" images, but rather the scumbags hanging out on places like Facebook etc. But like I said, the only 100% protection is to not post anything you value in the first place. Hope you have a great day!


Perhaps be really brilliant and drop Facebook completely.

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Dec 5, 2021 15:17:53   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
KindaSpikey wrote:
I really believe that a watermark is the best way to prevent the unauthorized use of any image that holds "value" for you. It may not protect you legally,, but it may dissuade unscrupulous people from using, selling or claiming them as their own, and if they do re-post them they will be putting your name out there too, (free advertising). In the rare instances where people are determined to use them they might try to edit the watermark out with photoshop, etc, but that would be time consuming and could spoil the image. Of course, this is just my own opinion, but it seems like the best solution for me.
AND of course, the BEST way to prevent unauthorized use of your work, is not to post it on any platforms (such as Facebook), in the first place, but I understand, sometimes pride in a particular shot is very tempting to share. Just be careful and have fun!
I really believe that a watermark is the best way ... (show quote)


...I think watermarks are ugly and detract from the image so have graduated to not using them at all. One exception is my Smugmug site where a large PROOF is applied over the content. Like I said before, I don't really have time to chase around after thieves...*this* time was lucky and I contacted the right person but all-in-all it's a big time <shrug>...

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Dec 5, 2021 15:42:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
chasgroh wrote:
...I think watermarks are ugly and detract from the image so have graduated to not using them at all. One exception is my Smugmug site where a large PROOF is applied over the content. Like I said before, I don't really have time to chase around after thieves...*this* time was lucky and I contacted the right person but all-in-all it's a big time <shrug>...


Is a watermark in the lower corner of an image posted to FB really that distracting?

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Dec 5, 2021 17:03:27   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Is a watermark in the lower corner of an image posted to FB really that distracting?


...they are ALL distracting. Not a fan anymore and that's my decision. YMDV...I even sign my wall art on the back.

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Dec 5, 2021 17:10:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
chasgroh wrote:
...they are ALL distracting. Not a fan anymore and that's my decision. YMDV...I even sign my wall art on the back.


Oh well, I don't understand why you care who takes them from FB then .... Seemingly, your priorities are different from mine, especially if "all" can't be adjusted to be instead "most" via opacity and size / font.

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Dec 5, 2021 17:38:54   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Oh well, I don't understand why you care who takes them from FB then .... Seemingly, your priorities are different from mine, especially if "all" can't be adjusted to be instead "most" via opacity and size / font.


...you haven't read all my responses, Paul. I really *don't* care, but if I discover one or more of my images being used commercially I'll certainly investigate and try to get renumeration. In this case it worked out. Even my old watermarks are easily erased as even at the start I didn't like the distraction. <shrug>

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Dec 5, 2021 21:07:22   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Oh well, I don't understand why you care who takes them from FB then .... Seemingly, your priorities are different from mine, especially if "all" can't be adjusted to be instead "most" via opacity and size / font.


Paul, I suppose its a matter of taste and how we individually perceive the image. Personally my eyes tend to be more in agreement with chasgroh and typically watermarks bother me; although I have seen a few where the watermark is so innocuous that it doesn't bother me. This is just a matter of personal point of view. I respect and accept your perceptions, though watermarks tend to spoil the work for me.

But their is another consideration. I don't know if you have seen recent cell phone commercials for Samsung phones stressing the ability to remove distracting parts of the image easily. The days that you had to be a Photoshop maven to successfully remove a part of an image are fast fading. Computational photography and AI are changing the game with surprising phone technology. Watching the facility that some of my younger family members manipulate images on their phones is eyeopening. Distracting elements are eliminated and photo recropped with ease. Even small image size may not be a defense. Unlike my world of a large computer screen, theirs is the world of the small screen. Any low pixel image that will look good enough to view on our monitors has more than enough resolution to view on their small screens. It's a changing world.

Irwin

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Dec 5, 2021 21:16:15   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
cactuspic wrote:
Paul, I suppose its a matter of taste and how we individually perceive the image. Personally my eyes tend to be more in agreement with chasgroh and typically watermarks bother me; although I have seen a few where the watermark is so innocuous that it doesn't bother me. This is just a matter of personal point of view. I respect and accept your perceptions, though watermarks tend to spoil the work for me.

But their is another consideration. I don't know if you have seen recent cell phone commercials for Samsung phones stressing the ability to remove distracting parts of the image easily. The days that you had to be a Photoshop maven to successfully remove a part of an image are fast fading. Computational photography and AI are changing the game with surprising phone technology. Watching the facility that some of my younger family members manipulate images on their phones is eyeopening. Distracting elements are eliminated and photo recropped with ease. Even small image size may not be a defense. Unlike my world of a large computer screen, theirs is the world of the small screen. Any low pixel image that will look good enough to view on our monitors has more than enough resolution to view on their small screens. It's a changing world.

Irwin
Paul, I suppose its a matter of taste and how we i... (show quote)


Just like 'PhotoShop' really means fundamentally different things inside the minds of different people, I'm quite certain 'watermark' is similarly entirely different inside the minds of different people. For the most part, I don't even see the watermarks on my own images, at a 30% opacity in the lower right corner. Every so often on a dark image, it may be more apparent, but more like 98% of images, they are 'seen' only if one is inspecting the bottom right corner, far far away from the specific subject and selective focus of the composition. For any of my posts, you can tell me different, and that I'm not seeing what others see.

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Dec 5, 2021 21:22:09   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
Does displaying LOW files deter theft?

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