Delta49 wrote:
I have been trying to decide if anything wider than 24mm is useful. I'm thinking about family gathering around the table, landscape, inside rooms, and street photography. I have been looking at the Tamron 15-30 mm G2, do any hoggers have this lens and what do you think about it and what do you use it for? Thank you for your comments and help.
Wider than 24mm is definitely useful for a lot of things... but perhaps not for some you mention.
Not recommended for portraits and groups... While it's possible to use an ultrawide for these purposes, there is natural exaggeration from wide angle lenses that can strongly distort peoples' proportions and look odd. People near the edges of the frame, as in a group shot, will show anamorphic distortion where one side of their body is much larger than the other. Individual portraits too close will make a person's nose look big and their ears tiny. Full length individual portraits can end up with "elephant legs" and other effects, also anamorphic. Sometimes these effects are used humorously, but other times the subjects may not find it funny. With some planning and care it's possible to shoot people with wide angle lenses... but it's usually "loose" compositions or "environmental portraits" that show a lot of their surroundings, thus minimizing the issues with distortion.
Highly recommended for landscape photography... Great for everything from the mountains to the sea, near to far. Also good for architectural and cityscapes, though you have to be aware of and careful about "keystoning" that comes from perspective exaggeration. This can usually be corrected to some extent in post-processing, so long as you are aware of and plan for it. There are specialized wide angle lenses with tilt/shift movements especially used to correct for this (Canon TS-E 17mm and 24mm, for example), but they are pricey, hefty and manual focus only.
Widely used for indoor architecture work.... And often necessary when you can only back up so far and need to get it all in the shot. Once again you need to be aware of and prepared to correct for any distortion. It can be minimized by camera position and careful leveling. Something to watch for in choosing lenses is how they render straight lines. Some lenses (especially zooms) have a lot of barrel distortion, where straight lines will appear curved. Zooms can have barrel distortion at one extreme and pincushion at the other end of their focal length range! (The-Digital-Picture website has extensive tests for virtually any lens that can be fitted to your Canon cameras... including image quality, distortion, flare resistance and more... plus extensive reviews of many of them).
Street photography is often portraiture and the same concerns about distortion apply with very wide lenses. Historically many street photographers have used mildly wide lenses (such as 35mm or 40mm, on full frame). Some also or instead use standard or normal focal lengths (approx. 50mm on full frame) and some use short telephoto (up to around 85 or 90mm on full frame). It's pretty rare for wider or longer focal lengths to be used for shots involving people. A part of street photography is interaction with the subject(s) and "too long" a focal length makes that difficult. Conversely, "too wide" a lens can make the human subjects too small within the image. Many street photographers also strive for as unobtrusive gear as possible, potentially choosing compact prime lenses instead of zooms. Often the street photographer prefers to look more like a tourist or amateur than a pro shooter with fancy gear, both to put subjects more at ease and to hopefully avoid being targeted by thieves. Another argument for prime lenses (fixed focal lengths... i.e., not zooms) is that even while being smaller and less expensive, they often offer larger lens apertures for low light shooting situations or greater depth of field control.
Taking all the above into account...
Do you REALLY need f/2.8? For nearly all types of landscape, as well as architecture inside and out, there are some excellent f/4 zoom choices. In fact, these often have the best image quality corner to corner, while being smaller, a bit lighter and less expensive. Some "fast" ultrawide lenses, including the Tamron you're considering, also have highly convex front elements that preclude using standard screw-in filters on them. That type of lens might provide a means of attaching gel filters over the rear element, or there may be accessory devices available that allow oversize filters to be used. Even "fast" ultrawides that can use screw-in filters often require larger diameter, more expensive filters, while an f/4 zoom often utilizes smaller, less expensive ones. On the other hand there are some instances where the larger aperture might be desirable, such as night photography (astrophotogaphy, aurora borealis, some cityscapes), perhaps to assist with composition and focusing using an optical viewfinder since the lens is likely to be stopped down for shooting anyway. You didn't mention these types of photography. I'm just bringing them up as possible considerations.
Some will say "never use a polarizing filter on a wide angle lens". I disagree and say "never say never". It is true that there can be uneven effect with that type filter when a lens has a wide angle of view. However that's not always a problem and sometimes doesn't occur at all. You can see the uneven effect in the viewfinder, if it's occurring, and then decide what, if anything, you want to do about it.
I also mention above that some lenses were manual focus. In truth this often isn't a problem with very wide and ultrawide lenses. For one, many (most?) of the typical uses of these lenses are slower types of shooting where manual focus is fine. Also, wide lenses naturally render fairly deep depth of field, which easily hides minor focus accuracy errors. That's especially true once the lens is stopped down, which is often desirable for many of the above types of uses. If a lens has it, you might even end up turning off autofocus if using hyperfocal focusing distance or scale pre-focus techniques. Hyperfocal is often used with landscape photography... while experienced street photographers sometimes preset focus using the distance scales on their cameras so that they can take very rapid shots (BTW, not all lenses have distance scales.... especially zooms! Another reason compact prime lenses are popular for street photography.)
Personally I shoot a lot of sports, where telephotos are used a lot more than wide angle lenses. But I still wouldn't be without wide angles!
For full frame, much like you I have zooms that go as wide as 24mm. I primarily use full frame for landscape, portraiture, macro and close-up work. I also have 24mm tilt-shift for architecture (also have 45mm TS-E and would love to have the 17mm... but that's muy expensive, so I will rent or only buy it if I get a job that calls for and fully pays for it). My widest lens for full frame is a
20mm f/2.8 prime. This a reasonably compact, affordable, well corrected lens and overall very good performing lens. If I start shooting more landscape or architectural interiors, I will buy the
Canon EF 16-35mm f/4L IS USM. It is right up there among the very best, more expensive, bigger and heavier zooms. It uses 77mm filters and has image stabilization, which is not common on ultrawides. The only reason I might not buy that lens would be if I convert to mirrorless, in which case I will be looking for a similar lens in that system (or will adapt that 16-35mm f/4).
For use on my APS-C DSLRs I have a couple crop-only ultrawide zooms:
Tokina 12-24mm f/4 and
Canon EF-S 10-22mm (19-38mm and 16-35mm full frame equivalent, respectively). The latter is a particularly excellent lens for crop sensor Canon DSLRs. I mostly use these cameras shooting sports with a variety of telephotos. But there are plenty of times when I need something wider. When I first switched to digital and crop cameras I was still using a top-of-the-line 17-35mm f/2.8L, a very good lens on film/full frame, but nowhere near wide enough on crop sensor cameras... So I sold it to buy the Tokina (the Canon lens was a lot more expensive, at the time). I later got a great deal on the 10-22mmm and it's lived up to all the hype. It's one of the best ultrawide/crop zooms anyone has made: sharp corner to corner and more flare resistant than most. Today there is also the far cheaper, much more plasticky, slower aperture, but quite capable 10-18mm.
For some candid location portraiture and street photography, I also use a very compact mirrorless. While for those purposes I have short telephoto and mildly wide primes, I also have a very wide
Meike 12mm f/2.8 (19mm full frame equiv.) that's a manual focus, manual aperture lens (also sells as an Opteka lens) that I use occasionally for landscape, architecture, etc. While a fully manual lens like this is slower to shoot with, it also is quite compact and was quite inexpensive. Frankly, I was very surprised how well built it was and very pleased with the image quality it produces. I should mention, too, that compared to DSLRs a fully manual lens is more easily used on a mirrorless camera where the electronic viewfinder can provide reasonably good exposure simulation and manual focus assist features. There simply aren't a lot of choices of wide lenses for this mirrorless system, but I'm happy. Notice that my wide angle solution for this crop mirrorless is very similar to what I've done with my full frame DSLR. Below is one of my early test shots done with the 12mm lens (with a B+W circular polarizer, incidentally)...