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Nov 10, 2021 12:37:29   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
annwi you've received lots of friendly advice...
Albeit there are so many variables in the mix that I'm only responding on what I can speak to from the actual "Science" involved...

"...Does the lightness of the camera make a difference in shooting?"
Yes Newton's First Law, sometimes referred to as the law of inertia states that "An object at rest remains at rest, and an object in motion remains in motion at constant speed and in a straight line unless acted on by an unbalanced force."

https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/beginners-guide-to-aeronautics/newtons-laws-of-motion/

The inertia of an object is directly proportional to the mass of the object.
A heavier camera is less likely that it will be subjected to "Camera Shake"

Trust me here... I've shot Nikon D3's and D3x's for many years...
And they resist any effect of what the mirrorless fan boys refer to as "Mirror Recoil" a.k.a. Shutter Shock... In fact the Nikon D810 was a HUGE improvement over the D800 & D800e owing to a robust "Dampening" mechanism Nikon deployed in the D810... I've shot the D800e and it has decidedly a greater magnitude of "Shutter Shock" i.e. recoil than my epic D810...

However a tripod is by far and away the most critical component of the acuity equation. For commercial work tripods are virtually always used (I assist many commercial shooters in may market)...

That said for enthusiast Tripods are a very "Hard Sell" item...
The reasons not to use them go around the block... Nearly all state inconvenience.

As for recommendations? On UHH nearly all come from folks trying to validate their own sometimes arcane and often questionable choices... Seriously It's the "peanut gallery" folks who will endeavor to put down any choices that does not reflect their unique realities...

Wishing you all the best on your photographic journey annwi...
Maybe an underwater housing for your next camera?

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Nov 10, 2021 13:33:15   #
PACSMAN Loc: MA
 
I sold my D850 and glass and purchased a Z7ii and new lenses. Very happy with the purchase and performance of the new camera and glass. The weight savings alone was worth it and the images are outstanding. The new Nikon glass is incredible.

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Nov 10, 2021 13:38:45   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The time has come. The Nikon Z7 II is much much more than a mirrorless D850.

1. IBIS that turns every lens into a stabilized lens, even the golden oldies of the manual focus, pre-electronic ages.
2. EVF with shimmering highlights of the plane of focus.
3. Histogram available for display in electronic view finder (EVF).
4. Detailed 10x zoom in EVF.
5. Silent (not a single noise) shutter.
6. Image playback in EVF for review when LCD impossible to see in bright light.
7. Image playback at 10x zoom in EVF.
8. Sharper mirrorless lens designs.
9. More ultra fast lenses as sharp wide open as any stepped down DSLR lens ever.
10. One digital platform supporting portfolio of legacy DSLR lenses, legacy SLR lenses and modern mirrorless lenses.
11. Autofocus beyond f/8 for extended configurations.
12. Platform for any / all ongoing technology advancements in digital photography.
13. EVF that displays the results of the image before shooting.
14. EVF that allows for ad hoc updates like boosting the ISO for a brighter focus view, then restore ISO and shoot, without even lowering the camera from a shooting position.
15. Entire frame available for selective AF position.

The idea to rent a candidate replacement is a reasonable suggestion.
The time has come. The Nikon Z7 II is much much mo... (show quote)


This really sums it up. I went mirror less and I wouldn't go back. Since you need a new camera, it is the way to go.

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Nov 10, 2021 15:38:10   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The time has come. The Nikon Z7 II is much much more than a mirrorless D850.

1. IBIS that turns every lens into a stabilized lens, even the golden oldies of the manual focus, pre-electronic ages.
2. EVF with shimmering highlights of the plane of focus.
3. Histogram available for display in electronic view finder (EVF).
4. Detailed 10x zoom in EVF.
5. Silent (not a single noise) shutter.
6. Image playback in EVF for review when LCD impossible to see in bright light.
7. Image playback at 10x zoom in EVF.
8. Sharper mirrorless lens designs.
9. More ultra fast lenses as sharp wide open as any stepped down DSLR lens ever.
10. One digital platform supporting portfolio of legacy DSLR lenses, legacy SLR lenses and modern mirrorless lenses.
11. Autofocus beyond f/8 for extended configurations.
12. Platform for any / all ongoing technology advancements in digital photography.
13. EVF that displays the results of the image before shooting.
14. EVF that allows for ad hoc updates like boosting the ISO for a brighter focus view, then restore ISO and shoot, without even lowering the camera from a shooting position.
15. Entire frame available for selective AF position.

The idea to rent a candidate replacement is a reasonable suggestion.
The time has come. The Nikon Z7 II is much much mo... (show quote)


Everything he said here. Since you don’t like to use a tripod the IBIS alone makes it a good switch. I’ve had the Z7 for over a year and a half and I’d be adding a Z7II if I wasn’t getting ready to order the Z9.

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Nov 10, 2021 15:41:41   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Nicholas J DeSciose wrote:
Get a Z7 2 or if you can afford it is the Z 9 Both these cameras have exceptional handheld capabilities as well as amazing auto focus


Of course in his case the problem with the Z9 is he’ll be months without a camera waiting for it.

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Nov 10, 2021 15:46:21   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
This is not entirely correct for "all" Nikon lenses.

Older Nikon autofocus lenses that do not have an internal motor and rely on the camera's focus motor, those lenses do not retain autofocus for the mirrorless camera. The FTZ (literally F-mount To Z-mount) does not include the necessary focus motor for these lenses to function in autofocus on the Z body. This differs from Canon's all electronic focus approach that debuted in 1987 with the EOS technology and focus motors deployed inside the lenses. All Canon EF / EF-S lenses operate with all autofocus functionality and flawless performance on EOS R type bodies. Nikon's AF capable lenses with their own internal motor similarly work with flawless performance on the mirrorless body via the FTZ adapter.
This is not entirely correct for "all" N... (show quote)


While true it’s much overblown. Unless you have some older glass the chances are it’ll be fine, and if it isn’t then the manual focus benefits of mirrorless come into play. As for the Tamron it depends. My older Tamron 90 macro works great. I’ve even used it with the focus shift feature. Some of the newer lenses might need a firmware update.

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Nov 10, 2021 17:37:46   #
cfbudd Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
 
annwi wrote:
Thank you for all your responses. They are very helpful. I will rent the Z7ii and see where that takes me!


Let us know what you conclude after renting and it.

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Nov 10, 2021 17:44:20   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
While true it’s much overblown. Unless you have some older glass the chances are it’ll be fine, and if it isn’t then the manual focus benefits of mirrorless come into play. As for the Tamron it depends. My older Tamron 90 macro works great. I’ve even used it with the focus shift feature. Some of the newer lenses might need a firmware update.


It's worth noting that a class of legacy AF-capable lenses lose this feature between Nikon upper-tier DSLRs and Nikon mirrorless. We've spent almost 35-years listening to Nikon's much vaulted F-mount and upward compatibility. Along comes mirrorless and backwards compatibility is now Canon's strength.

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Nov 10, 2021 17:46:03   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
annwi wrote:
I recently lost my Nikon d850 and 28-300 mm lens to a large ocean wave. Nikon has told me that it cannot be repaired. I am at the point of replacing the camera. However, I am wondering if now is the time to try mirrorless. I have not thought much about it since my d850 was only a year old, and I still have some growing to do in using it. The camera company says that the mirrorless is lighter and the images will be sharp. And, she tells me that my variety of lenses will work on the z camera with an adapter. They also have a used d850 for 2200 that they say is in excellent shape.

I am not into videos....pictures are my focus. I like to take family photos, landscapes, macro, and I am still definitely learning. Questions....is it true that all my lenses will work well on a mirrorless? I have a tamron macro and various nikon lenses. All are F mounts. Does the lightness of the camera make a difference in shooting? I wish I could say I was better at using a tripod, but I tend to shoot handheld 95% of the time. I asked the camera company if they have a model of the mirrorless that I could try. They do not. Said it was because of covid. It would need to be ordered.

What things should I be thinking about to make my decision......jump to Nikon z mirrorless or purchase the used d850 that is in excellent shape from the local camera company. Your insights would be very helpful.

Thanks in advance.
I recently lost my Nikon d850 and 28-300 mm lens t... (show quote)

We're you really in the water that deep that a wave hit you?
If your walking the waterline seems strange a wave could get that high. I live 3 miles from ocean and there often.

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Nov 10, 2021 18:34:49   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
It's worth noting that a class of legacy AF-capable lenses lose this feature between Nikon upper-tier DSLRs and Nikon mirrorless. We've spent almost 35-years listening to Nikon's much vaulted F-mount and upward compatibility. Along comes mirrorless and backwards compatibility is now Canon's strength.


Like I said, overblown. For most people going from Nikon DSLR to mirrorless won’t be an issue.

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Nov 10, 2021 21:37:08   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
george19 wrote:
I was thinking about getting a D850, but after comparing weight decided on a Z7 ii, just got it a few weeks ago…with the FTZ adapter.

I haven’t tried my 200-500, but my other two F lenses (both D class) DO NOT autofocus.

I also ended up buying a book, because the enclosed quick guide didn’t cut it, and the online manual is too painful to navigate. Why Nikon canned their manual viewer program I’ll never know.


You can download the manual as a pdf. Works just like the manual viewer in iPad books.

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Nov 10, 2021 22:23:47   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
IMHO, the D850 is the absolutely best camera Nikon makes for anything but sports action. I have owned one since they were released and it has been absolutely awesome. IF I were to trade it, I would definitely get the Z7 II and I would suggest that you take this opportunity to do exactly that. Mirrorless is the wave of the future. Although I shoot with the Z6 at the moment, I have a Z9 on order. If it as good as they say it will be, I will, most likely, switch to mirrorless completely within the next couple of years. Best of luck.

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Nov 10, 2021 22:33:01   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Nicholas J DeSciose wrote:
Get a Z7 2 or if you can afford it is the Z 9 Both these cameras have exceptional handheld capabilities as well as amazing auto focus


Interesting that you can comment on a camera (Z9) that hasn't been released to the public yet! Best of luck.

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Nov 10, 2021 22:53:46   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
IDguy wrote:
You can download the manual as a pdf. Works just like the manual viewer in iPad books.


Yes, thank you. I have it.
Mundy

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Nov 10, 2021 23:43:27   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
This is not entirely correct for "all" Nikon lenses.

Older Nikon autofocus lenses that do not have an internal motor and rely on the camera's focus motor, those lenses do not retain autofocus for the mirrorless camera. The FTZ (literally F-mount To Z-mount) does not include the necessary focus motor for these lenses to function in autofocus on the Z body. This differs from Canon's all electronic focus approach that debuted in 1987 with the EOS technology and focus motors deployed inside the lenses. All Canon EF / EF-S lenses operate with all autofocus functionality and flawless performance on EOS R type bodies. Nikon's AF capable lenses with their own internal motor similarly work with flawless performance on the mirrorless body via the FTZ adapter.
This is not entirely correct for "all" N... (show quote)

Yes - I should have been more specific. The issue was his Nikon lenses.

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