Cottonwoods Being Cottonwoods (Page 3): Stunning set!!

JustJill Loc: Iowa

Cany143 wrote:

Doing what cottonwoods do.

Stunning set!!

SueScott Loc: Hammondsville, Ohio

I had no idea they were so beautiful in autumn!

Luen Loc: West Jordan, UT

Is that the Wooden Shoe Arch back there on the skyline in #3? I wish I had seen your photos away back before I was shooting mine in that area. I do enjoy you "taking me back." Thank you.

Cany143 Loc: SE Utah

Retired CPO wrote:

Beautiful! as usual Cany! The PICTO-glyph just adds to what is already a fascinating and well done scene.

Cut it out, Chief. You know damn well those are not PICTO-glyphs, they're PETRO-graphs. Jeez!

dreff Loc: Bow, WA

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RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

Jim, your usual great work, but I have a question for you. Has there been any sort of serious discussion of methods to preserve petroglyphs. As you pointed out, they are subject to weathering away and when they are gone, they are no more and its not like we can dig up more of them. And even the ones that have yet to be discovered are subject to the same inexorable results of wind, time, and sand. Thanks for the cottonwoods.

Cotondog Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada

Another stunning set, Cany.

Cany143 Loc: SE Utah

RodeoMan wrote:

Jim, your usual great work, but I have a question for you. Has there been any sort of serious discussion of methods to preserve petroglyphs. As you pointed out, they are subject to weathering away and when they are gone, they are no more and its not like we can dig up more of them. And even the ones that have yet to be discovered are subject to the same inexorable results of wind, time, and sand. Thanks for the cottonwoods.

Sure, Rodeo, there have been lots of discussions about ways to preserve and/or protect rock art. As you might expect, the more 'serious' of those tend to be interdisciplinary, and might include people from the scientific community, the legal community, social scientists, conservators, lay people, and members of Native or Indigenous communities. The few that I've attended --and others I've heard about-- usually come to the common consensus that there are two primary methods to 'preserve the past': documentation and education, and both of those have their limits.

Earlier this year, for example, two rock art sites in my immediate area were defaced (degraded, impaired, inalterably 'ruined', use whatever term you like). One of those sites, the heavily visited 'The Birthing Rock Site' has had a fence --intended more as a 'psychological barrier' than a physical barrier-- around it for years, and signage in place that describes both the site and site ethics --don't touch!-- generally. Someone hopped the fence (a child could do it...) and intentionally painted and scraped political/racial/generally antisocial stuff across one whole face of the rock. Some of that mindless, ignorant defacement can be 'repaired' but some cannot. Would any amount of 'education' have helped? No. And short of the culprit confessing in a court of law --yeah, right, like that's going to happen....-- State and Federal 'laws' are little or no deterrent either. The other instance occurred at a site north of Arches N.P. In that case, a rock climber bolted a climbing route right through a panel that isn't 'protected' by a fence or signage or anything other than, hopefully, common sense. When this became known, the climber (a non-local from eastern Colorado) actually --'formally'/'legally'-- admitted to having done what he did, and expressed his regret. You might excuse what happened --the defacement-- as having been essentially 'innocent' in nature; he thought those thousand year old figures were just graffiti left by some previous rock climber a week or two before.

Someday, the Mona Lisa will crumble into dust. When, I wouldn't know, especially since its 'safe' in its temperature/humidity/people controlled setting. Someday, the 'Great Gallery' over in the Horseshoe Canyon Unit of the Maze (Canyonlands N.P.) will crumble into dust too, exposed to the elements as it is.

I could go on.... and on......... and on..............

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

Cany143 wrote:

Cut it out, Chief. You know damn well those are not PICTO-glyphs, they're PETRO-graphs. Jeez!

Yeah I know

Just injecting a little of my dry humor! It's easy to get away with since no one is here to slap me upside the head. Oh wait, I think you just did that!

RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

Cany143 wrote:

Sure, Rodeo, there have been lots of discussions about ways to preserve and/or protect rock art. As you might expect, the more 'serious' of those tend to be interdisciplinary, and might include people from the scientific community, the legal community, social scientists, conservators, lay people, and members of Native or Indigenous communities. The few that I've attended --and others I've heard about-- usually come to the common consensus that there are two primary methods to 'preserve the past': documentation and education, and both of those have their limits.

Earlier this year, for example, two rock art sites in my immediate area were defaced (degraded, impaired, inalterably 'ruined', use whatever term you like). One of those sites, the heavily visited 'The Birthing Rock Site' has had a fence --intended more as a 'psychological barrier' than a physical barrier-- around it for years, and signage in place that describes both the site and site ethics --don't touch!-- generally. Someone hopped the fence (a child could do it...) and intentionally painted and scraped political/racial/generally antisocial stuff across one whole face of the rock. Some of that mindless, ignorant defacement can be 'repaired' but some cannot. Would any amount of 'education' have helped? No. And short of the culprit confessing in a court of law --yeah, right, like that's going to happen....-- State and Federal 'laws' are little or no deterrent either. The other instance occurred at a site north of Arches N.P. In that case, a rock climber bolted a climbing route right through a panel that isn't 'protected' by a fence or signage or anything other than, hopefully, common sense. When this became known, the climber (a non-local from eastern Colorado) actually --'formally'/'legally'-- admitted to having done what he did, and expressed his regret. You might excuse what happened --the defacement-- as having been essentially 'innocent' in nature; he thought those thousand year old figures were just graffiti left by some previous rock climber a week or two before.

Someday, the Mona Lisa will crumble into dust. When, I wouldn't know, especially since its 'safe' in its temperature/humidity/people controlled setting. Someday, the 'Great Gallery' over in the Horseshoe Canyon Unit of the Maze (Canyonlands N.P.) will crumble into dust too, exposed to the elements as it is.

I could go on.... and on......... and on..............

Sure, Rodeo, there have been lots of discussions a... (show quote)

Thanks Jim, Time, and its effects, does move irreversibly along. I can accept the inevitable consequences of simply existing, but what gets my dander up, is the knot-headed behavior of certain cretin colleagues of our species.

flathead27ford Loc: Colorado, North of Greeley

Very nice set.

Tinker

The changing cottonwoods are a favorite of mine. I have always wondered, however, whether one can determine the age of the dead trees one comes across in the desert. I guess there is some general idea of how long it takes for them to fall and return to the soil, but I have no idea what that term may be. Anyone have any ideas? Or how long cottonwoods generally live, or whether the twisted trees we see in Cany's (always excellent) photos are indeed cottonwoods or something else common to the area. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks

photophile Loc: Lakewood, Ohio, USA

Cany143 wrote:

Doing what cottonwoods do.

I like 1 the most.