What is our country coming to when a senior commander is fired and you see nothing in the media about the reason?
Nov 3, 2012 11:02:51 #
donrent
Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl
Unfortunately, this is probably not going to hit the networks. What is our country coming to when a senior commander is fired and you see nothing in the media about the reason? I guess the Prez didnt want any obstacles on his path to a second term. I knew something was fishy when Panetta said it was a normal rotation. Ham has been in the job less than a year. How do the American people get the truth our Campaigner in chief left Americans on the ground to die and stopped all efforts to rescue them for political purposes. On top of that he and his staff lied about it. The drive by media seems to be going to give him a pass on this one. So much for a free and honest press.
Subject: Wait until this hits the networks!
Head of AFRICOM Fired for Wanting to Assist Personnel in Benghazi
By GerardDirect Staff - October 28, 2012
General Carter Ham relieved of duty as Commander of AFRICOM
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta announced on Sunday that General Carter Ham Commander of GOC Africa Command (Africom), headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany has been relieved of his assignment for refusing to obey orders not to assist the US personnel in Benghazi on the night of September 11. Army General David Rodriguez has been appointed by President Obama to replace him. U.S. Africa Command is one of six unified geographic commands within the Department of Defense unified command structure.
Gen. Ham refused to take responsibility for the decision not to provide essential air coverage and other support for the beleaguered personnel at the Consulate. After the information was leaked last week that three urgent requests for support were denied to the Americans trapped in the Consulate and the Annex, President Barack Obama said on Sunday, The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. According to the highly decorated, four-star General, Carter Ham, the President is lying.
The Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, another official, and two CIA assets and former NAVY SEALS disregarded repeated orders to stand down, and rescued several people from the burning Consulate under heavy fire. They requested assistance at least three times and were summarily denied each time. They had AQ mortars painted with laser pointers and requested a C130 attack on the target or a missile strike with a F-22 or F-35. They had laid the groundwork for a military response that would create minimum collateral damage. In return for their heroism, their urgent requests were denied and they died defending America.
According to our sources, General Ham received copies of the e-mails that had been sent to the White House from Benghazi, requesting military support at the Consulate and the Annex after the attacks began. General Ham had a rapid response unit ready to deploy and communicated that to the Pentagon. He then received the order to stand down. His response to the Pentagon was essentially that he could not do that. Within a few minutes after sending that response, his second in command told General Ham that he was relieved of his command, effective immediately.
On Saturday, October 27, Panetta confirmed that General Ham had been relieved of his assignment.
http://gerarddirect.com/2012/10/28/head-of-africom-fired-for-wanting-to-assist-personnel-in-benghazi/
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James W. Bradin
Unfortunately, this is probably not going to hit the networks. What is our country coming to when a senior commander is fired and you see nothing in the media about the reason? I guess the Prez didnt want any obstacles on his path to a second term. I knew something was fishy when Panetta said it was a normal rotation. Ham has been in the job less than a year. How do the American people get the truth our Campaigner in chief left Americans on the ground to die and stopped all efforts to rescue them for political purposes. On top of that he and his staff lied about it. The drive by media seems to be going to give him a pass on this one. So much for a free and honest press.
Subject: Wait until this hits the networks!
Head of AFRICOM Fired for Wanting to Assist Personnel in Benghazi
By GerardDirect Staff - October 28, 2012
General Carter Ham relieved of duty as Commander of AFRICOM
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta announced on Sunday that General Carter Ham Commander of GOC Africa Command (Africom), headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany has been relieved of his assignment for refusing to obey orders not to assist the US personnel in Benghazi on the night of September 11. Army General David Rodriguez has been appointed by President Obama to replace him. U.S. Africa Command is one of six unified geographic commands within the Department of Defense unified command structure.
Gen. Ham refused to take responsibility for the decision not to provide essential air coverage and other support for the beleaguered personnel at the Consulate. After the information was leaked last week that three urgent requests for support were denied to the Americans trapped in the Consulate and the Annex, President Barack Obama said on Sunday, The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. According to the highly decorated, four-star General, Carter Ham, the President is lying.
The Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, another official, and two CIA assets and former NAVY SEALS disregarded repeated orders to stand down, and rescued several people from the burning Consulate under heavy fire. They requested assistance at least three times and were summarily denied each time. They had AQ mortars painted with laser pointers and requested a C130 attack on the target or a missile strike with a F-22 or F-35. They had laid the groundwork for a military response that would create minimum collateral damage. In return for their heroism, their urgent requests were denied and they died defending America.
According to our sources, General Ham received copies of the e-mails that had been sent to the White House from Benghazi, requesting military support at the Consulate and the Annex after the attacks began. General Ham had a rapid response unit ready to deploy and communicated that to the Pentagon. He then received the order to stand down. His response to the Pentagon was essentially that he could not do that. Within a few minutes after sending that response, his second in command told General Ham that he was relieved of his command, effective immediately.
On Saturday, October 27, Panetta confirmed that General Ham had been relieved of his assignment.
http://gerarddirect.com/2012/10/28/head-of-africom-fired-for-wanting-to-assist-personnel-in-benghazi/
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James W. Bradin
Subject: Wait until this hits the networks!
Head of AFRICOM Fired for Wanting to Assist Personnel in Benghazi
By GerardDirect Staff - October 28, 2012
General Carter Ham relieved of duty as Commander of AFRICOM
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta announced on Sunday that General Carter Ham Commander of GOC Africa Command (Africom), headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany has been relieved of his assignment for refusing to obey orders not to assist the US personnel in Benghazi on the night of September 11. Army General David Rodriguez has been appointed by President Obama to replace him. U.S. Africa Command is one of six unified geographic commands within the Department of Defense unified command structure.
Gen. Ham refused to take responsibility for the decision not to provide essential air coverage and other support for the beleaguered personnel at the Consulate. After the information was leaked last week that three urgent requests for support were denied to the Americans trapped in the Consulate and the Annex, President Barack Obama said on Sunday, The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. According to the highly decorated, four-star General, Carter Ham, the President is lying.
The Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, another official, and two CIA assets and former NAVY SEALS disregarded repeated orders to stand down, and rescued several people from the burning Consulate under heavy fire. They requested assistance at least three times and were summarily denied each time. They had AQ mortars painted with laser pointers and requested a C130 attack on the target or a missile strike with a F-22 or F-35. They had laid the groundwork for a military response that would create minimum collateral damage. In return for their heroism, their urgent requests were denied and they died defending America.
According to our sources, General Ham received copies of the e-mails that had been sent to the White House from Benghazi, requesting military support at the Consulate and the Annex after the attacks began. General Ham had a rapid response unit ready to deploy and communicated that to the Pentagon. He then received the order to stand down. His response to the Pentagon was essentially that he could not do that. Within a few minutes after sending that response, his second in command told General Ham that he was relieved of his command, effective immediately.
On Saturday, October 27, Panetta confirmed that General Ham had been relieved of his assignment.
http://gerarddirect.com/2012/10/28/head-of-africom-fired-for-wanting-to-assist-personnel-in-benghazi/
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James W. Bradin
Unfortunately, this is probably not going to hit the networks. What is our country coming to when a senior commander is fired and you see nothing in the media about the reason? I guess the Prez didnt want any obstacles on his path to a second term. I knew something was fishy when Panetta said it was a normal rotation. Ham has been in the job less than a year. How do the American people get the truth our Campaigner in chief left Americans on the ground to die and stopped all efforts to rescue them for political purposes. On top of that he and his staff lied about it. The drive by media seems to be going to give him a pass on this one. So much for a free and honest press.
Subject: Wait until this hits the networks!
Head of AFRICOM Fired for Wanting to Assist Personnel in Benghazi
By GerardDirect Staff - October 28, 2012
General Carter Ham relieved of duty as Commander of AFRICOM
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta announced on Sunday that General Carter Ham Commander of GOC Africa Command (Africom), headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany has been relieved of his assignment for refusing to obey orders not to assist the US personnel in Benghazi on the night of September 11. Army General David Rodriguez has been appointed by President Obama to replace him. U.S. Africa Command is one of six unified geographic commands within the Department of Defense unified command structure.
Gen. Ham refused to take responsibility for the decision not to provide essential air coverage and other support for the beleaguered personnel at the Consulate. After the information was leaked last week that three urgent requests for support were denied to the Americans trapped in the Consulate and the Annex, President Barack Obama said on Sunday, The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. According to the highly decorated, four-star General, Carter Ham, the President is lying.
The Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, another official, and two CIA assets and former NAVY SEALS disregarded repeated orders to stand down, and rescued several people from the burning Consulate under heavy fire. They requested assistance at least three times and were summarily denied each time. They had AQ mortars painted with laser pointers and requested a C130 attack on the target or a missile strike with a F-22 or F-35. They had laid the groundwork for a military response that would create minimum collateral damage. In return for their heroism, their urgent requests were denied and they died defending America.
According to our sources, General Ham received copies of the e-mails that had been sent to the White House from Benghazi, requesting military support at the Consulate and the Annex after the attacks began. General Ham had a rapid response unit ready to deploy and communicated that to the Pentagon. He then received the order to stand down. His response to the Pentagon was essentially that he could not do that. Within a few minutes after sending that response, his second in command told General Ham that he was relieved of his command, effective immediately.
On Saturday, October 27, Panetta confirmed that General Ham had been relieved of his assignment.
http://gerarddirect.com/2012/10/28/head-of-africom-fired-for-wanting-to-assist-personnel-in-benghazi/
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James W. Bradin
Nov 3, 2012 11:55:56 #
I don't care if the order was to wear a pink tutu at the Gay Pride Parade. An order is an order. Don't obey it and you are useless as an officer (and your credibility, btw, is shot) and soldier.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
Nov 3, 2012 12:30:21 #
Gnslngr wrote:
I don't care if the order was to wear a pink tutu at the Gay Pride Parade. An order is an order. Don't obey it and you are useless as an officer (and your credibility, btw, is shot) and soldier.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
Don't you think Gen. Ham understood the consequences when he made his refusal known??????????? I think he is a great man, Patriot and American!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 3, 2012 12:33:48 #
Black Bart
Loc: Indiana
Gnslngr wrote:
I don't care if the order was to wear a pink tutu at the Gay Pride Parade. An order is an order. Don't obey it and you are useless as an officer (and your credibility, btw, is shot) and soldier.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
Now that sorry excuse for a prez needs fired.
Nov 3, 2012 12:50:23 #
Gnslngr wrote:
I don't care if the order was to wear a pink tutu at the Gay Pride Parade. An order is an order. Don't obey it and you are useless as an officer (and your credibility, btw, is shot) and soldier.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
Ask Douglas MacArthur and Harry Truman about that.
Nov 3, 2012 13:17:14 #
Gnslngr wrote:
I don't care if the order was to wear a pink tutu at the Gay Pride Parade. An order is an order. Don't obey it and you are useless as an officer (and your credibility, btw, is shot) and soldier.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders.
At one time it was the honorable and noble core belief of the United States military that no American would be left behind in battle or danger. No man left behind. An dishonorable order is not a valid order Gnslngr. If you don't believe that, look at the Nuremberg trials
Nov 3, 2012 13:25:36 #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
At one time it was the honorable and noble core belief of the United States military that no American would be left behind in battle or danger. No man left behind. An dishonorable order is not a valid order Gnslngr. If you don't believe that, look at the Nuremberg trials
You're comparing Obama to the nazis?
Your brain has got to be swimming in that kool aid . :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nov 3, 2012 13:33:16 #
Gnslngr wrote:
You're comparing Obama to the nazis?
Your brain has got to be swimming in that kool aid . :lol: :lol: :lol:
PrairieSeasons wrote:
At one time it was the honorable and noble core belief of the United States military that no American would be left behind in battle or danger. No man left behind. An dishonorable order is not a valid order Gnslngr. If you don't believe that, look at the Nuremberg trials
You're comparing Obama to the nazis?
Your brain has got to be swimming in that kool aid . :lol: :lol: :lol:
No Gnslngr, I am not comparing Obama to the nazis. I am pointing out that you were wrong in saying "I don't care if the order was to wear a pink tutu at the Gay Pride Parade. An order is an order. Don't obey it and you are useless as an officer (and your credibility, btw, is shot) and soldier.
He should have been fired. That's what happens when you disobey direct orders."
I get involved in discussions on this forum and rarely if ever get down to the level of name calling. If you, however, really believe that disobedience of an order to stand down from a rescue mission is not a credible response from a general officer then you are a pusillanimous piss-ant.
God bless America and thank you to those who have served. I hope and pray that we never accept the thought of leaving our countrymen behind in danger or battle.
Nov 3, 2012 13:57:05 #
I just found a very interesting quote by General Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. . . . Please read.
On 10/30/2012 11:08:46 AM, AFRICOM PAO in Stuttgart, Germany said:
Thank you for all the comments and questions. We are aware of the rumors surrounding General Ham's upcoming departure, and the assumptions are false. General Carter F. Ham is currently the commander of U.S. Africa Command. Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta's announced intention on October 18 to nominate Army General David M. Rodriguez to succeed General Ham followed leadership succession deliberations that took place well before the incident of 9/11/12.
General Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, addressed this issue: "The speculation that General Carter Ham is departing Africa Command (AFRICOM) due to events in Benghazi, Libya, on 11 September 2012 is absolutely false. General Ham's departure is part of routine succession planning that has been on going since July. He continues to serve in AFRICOM with my complete confidence."
Here is the article from USAFRICOM.mil
http://www.africom.mil/getArticle.asp?art=8383&lang=0
General Ham's actual site.
On 10/30/2012 11:08:46 AM, AFRICOM PAO in Stuttgart, Germany said:
Thank you for all the comments and questions. We are aware of the rumors surrounding General Ham's upcoming departure, and the assumptions are false. General Carter F. Ham is currently the commander of U.S. Africa Command. Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta's announced intention on October 18 to nominate Army General David M. Rodriguez to succeed General Ham followed leadership succession deliberations that took place well before the incident of 9/11/12.
General Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, addressed this issue: "The speculation that General Carter Ham is departing Africa Command (AFRICOM) due to events in Benghazi, Libya, on 11 September 2012 is absolutely false. General Ham's departure is part of routine succession planning that has been on going since July. He continues to serve in AFRICOM with my complete confidence."
Here is the article from USAFRICOM.mil
http://www.africom.mil/getArticle.asp?art=8383&lang=0
General Ham's actual site.
Nov 3, 2012 14:04:25 #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
No Gnslngr, I am not comparing Obama to the nazis.... (show quote)
You are so far removed from even the slightest semblance of reality that I can't really discuss anything with you. You can get back I'm your padded cell and let the adults talk. :thumbup:
Nov 3, 2012 14:34:20 #
Gnslngr wrote:
quote=PrairieSeasons No Gnslngr, I am not compari... (show quote)
You presumably believe that a soldier is to blindly follow orders and not listen to his conscience. I pity you.
Nov 3, 2012 15:25:25 #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
... then you are a pusillanimous piss-ant.
pusillanimous - the act of favoring or showing preference for cats over dogs.
Example sentence: "Cats rule, dogs drool is a pusillanimous truism."
Didn't quite make the connection in your response at first, but do appreciate the new word for my growing vocabulary.
Thanks Prairie Seasons!
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Nov 3, 2012 15:31:23 #
BW326 wrote:
pusillanimous - the act of favoring or showing preference for cats over dogs.
Example sentence: "Cats rule, dogs drool is a pusillanimous truism."
Didn't quite make the connection in your response at first, but do appreciate the new word for my growing vocabulary.
Thanks Prairie Seasons!
:thumbup: :thumbup:
PrairieSeasons wrote:
... then you are a pusillanimous piss-ant.
pusillanimous - the act of favoring or showing preference for cats over dogs.
Example sentence: "Cats rule, dogs drool is a pusillanimous truism."
Didn't quite make the connection in your response at first, but do appreciate the new word for my growing vocabulary.
Thanks Prairie Seasons!
:thumbup: :thumbup:
You are quite welcome, although I meant pusillanimous in its more traditional and insulting sense - cowardly
Nov 3, 2012 15:39:52 #
BW326 wrote:
pusillanimous - the act of favoring or showing preference for cats over dogs.
Example sentence: "Cats rule, dogs drool is a pusillanimous truism."
Didn't quite make the connection in your response at first, but do appreciate the new word for my growing vocabulary.
Thanks Prairie Seasons!
:thumbup: :thumbup:
PrairieSeasons wrote:
... then you are a pusillanimous piss-ant.
pusillanimous - the act of favoring or showing preference for cats over dogs.
Example sentence: "Cats rule, dogs drool is a pusillanimous truism."
Didn't quite make the connection in your response at first, but do appreciate the new word for my growing vocabulary.
Thanks Prairie Seasons!
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Your reply made me reflect on etymology for a moment. I had thought that the derogatory term "pussy" had a different origin. I wonder if it was this.
Nov 3, 2012 15:48:59 #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
Your reply made me reflect on etymology for a moment. I had thought that the derogatory term "pussy" had a different origin. I wonder if it was this.
Your reply made me reflect on etymology for a moment. I had thought that the derogatory term "pussy" had a different origin. I wonder if it was this.
I had exactly the same thoughts.
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