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Aug 29, 2021 18:11:11   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
You need to learn the correct way to do HDR with a camera = multiple shots at different settings then blended in software. Actually that is what that phone does, quick shots at different exposures then blended by the software.
Some cameras do it and if things go right the results are very good but the best results are done the old fashioned way. Then many of the photo editing programs have an applet that will take a single shot, split it into usually 3 images and than blend into an HDR shot. Sometimes that gives excellent results and sometimes it doesn't work. Here is a single shot that that method was used on (Corel's PaintShop Pro). It got the HDR part right, but the colors are off and had to be corrected. Not very well corrected, this was in 2016 and the software is much better now. And hopefully my skills, it does have the almost cartoonish "HDR" look that many don't like. People who are really good at it produce HDR without that phony look.
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Aug 29, 2021 19:46:32   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
joecichjr wrote:
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Thanks, I like it, but many say it is over cooked like many HDR images.

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Aug 29, 2021 20:20:41   #
roadsideron Loc: Apache Junction, AZ
 
It's my understanding that HDR is high dynamic range which means to capture both brights and lows and everything in between to mimic the range of what the eye can see. That's why you have to shoot several shots at different exposures to blend them together to get the proper range of lights and darks like the eye sees. What has happened is that people tend to push those limits to create "grungy" look and it got away from the original HDR meaning. The only thing I did to this photo was apply a natural HDR setting from ON1 and it came up with a natural range look. I didn't do anything else to the original. I think it looks good, looks natural and isn't over processed.


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Aug 29, 2021 20:37:51   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
roadsideron wrote:
It's my understanding that HDR is high dynamic range which means to capture both brights and lows and everything in between to mimic the range of what the eye can see. That's why you have to shoot several shots at different exposures to blend them together to get the proper range of lights and darks like the eye sees. What has happened is that people tend to push those limits to create "grungy" look and it got away from the original HDR meaning. The only thing I did to this photo was apply a natural HDR setting from ON1 and it came up with a natural range look. I didn't do anything else to the original. I think it looks good, looks natural and isn't over processed.
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Yes, it looks more natural than the auto HDR in PaintShop Pro made it. And better than my quick edit using Auto Tone and Auto Color in Photo Shop.

I went to the Adobe subscription shortly after I took that shot. I don't think the PS version of auto hdr does as good a job as the PSP version.

Many of the vehicles at car/truck shows are hard to make look "natural" to most people because they are often painted in colors/tones designed to scream "LOOK AT ME" instead of looking like ordinary vehicles.

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Aug 30, 2021 07:18:05   #
spaceylb Loc: Long Beach, N.Y.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Easy answer: sell all your cameras and lenses, and buy a better phone. When your HDR phone images start winning awards against interchangeable lens cameras, you'll know you made the correct decision.

If you reject this advice, then the next option might be: post problematic images in a new thread, storing the original unedited JPEG versions, and ask for help. Even present the phone version so we understand your vision of what you consider a better result.



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Aug 30, 2021 07:43:07   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
While I use the in-camera HDR feature of the Canon 6D fairly regularly, I am also impressed at the dynamic range of my iPhone 11 Pro. You may also have been impressed by the quality of the monitor on the iPhone 12 Pro, which is most likely better than many that you regularly use to view photos.

These photos were all taken hand-held with the iPhone 11 Pro earlier this month on Beals Island, Maine, a major source of the lobsters you love... Although these photos might not enlarge for a wall mural, I am impressed with the image quality this phone camera is capable of producing. I think these are pretty good demonstrations of the dynamic range you can get with this camera. I am considering upgrading to the iPhone 12 Pro.

Late afternoon.
Late afternoon....
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Sunrise
Sunrise...
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Before the day.
Before the day....
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Moonrise after sunset.
Moonrise after sunset....
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Aug 30, 2021 07:55:10   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
One can never attain a professional level of photography without an iPhone 12 Pro.
--Bob
Rsangha wrote:
How amazingly high HDR is handles by cell phones - especially the I-Phone 12 PRO. My son showed me some pictures taken by the I-Phone 12 Pro in almost total darkness - and I was really astonished. I own the Canon 6D, Canon 80D and Canon RP bodies with several L series lenses (24-70, 70-200, 100mm F2.8) and none could emulate the HDR displayed by the I-Phone 12 Pro. I generally use Aperture priority and expose for the highlights. But when I tried to use that for shooting a picture of the full moon the surroundings are so dim I can never approach the quality of the I-Phone 12 Pro picture of the full moon with beautiful surrounding sky, foliage etc.
So my question is why cant Canon, Nikon etc do the same in camera pre-processing as these tiny cell phones and produce more acceptable images of scenes with extreme dynamic range!
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Aug 30, 2021 08:07:56   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
R.G. wrote:
I think it's possible that your phone was cheating by doing exposure bracketing on the fly. With a more level playing field your DSLRs would start to look a bit less outclassed.


All software. The equivalent of shooting a jpeg in full auto all while bracketing the exposures. Unless Apple has figured out what the entire camera market couldn't.

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Aug 30, 2021 08:08:22   #
The Capt.
 
R.G. wrote:
I think it's possible that your phone was cheating by doing exposure bracketing on the fly. With a more level playing field your DSLRs would start to look a bit less outclassed.


Due to the short distance between the lens and sensor it is hard to get anything out of focus.

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Aug 30, 2021 08:50:06   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Rsangha wrote:
How amazingly high HDR is handles by cell phones - especially the I-Phone 12 PRO. My son showed me some pictures taken by the I-Phone 12 Pro in almost total darkness - and I was really astonished. I own the Canon 6D, Canon 80D and Canon RP bodies with several L series lenses (24-70, 70-200, 100mm F2.8) and none could emulate the HDR displayed by the I-Phone 12 Pro. I generally use Aperture priority and expose for the highlights. But when I tried to use that for shooting a picture of the full moon the surroundings are so dim I can never approach the quality of the I-Phone 12 Pro picture of the full moon with beautiful surrounding sky, foliage etc.
So my question is why cant Canon, Nikon etc do the same in camera pre-processing as these tiny cell phones and produce more acceptable images of scenes with extreme dynamic range!
How amazingly high HDR is handles by cell phones -... (show quote)


If you use Sony, you can do fully processed in camera multi-exposure HDR similar to what the phones can do - Canon and Nikon, not so much ....
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Aug 30, 2021 10:01:46   #
Dug E Pi
 
My friend has the Rp and there are settings for Automatic Exposure Bracketing or AEB that does it all in camera I believe. Search the internet for Canon EOS R and EOS RP Auto Exposure Bracketing and watch or read what you prefer. This will give you a HDR.

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Aug 30, 2021 10:51:38   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Rsangha wrote:
Yes I agree the I-Phone is probably doing exposure bracketing etc, and that I only saw the image on the small screen of the cell phone. When blown up on a large TV screen it will probably show more noise and pixelization. But I suspect if the latest I-Phone does not already perform noise reduction like Topaz and other apps then the next version probably will. To do exposure bracketing on a DSLR probably requires a tripod whereas the I-phone was hand held. So I will be keeping my DSLR and mirrorless camera bodies for the time being - but at 81 I am finding it harder to carry all the weight. Appreciate all your comments and advice.
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You can do exposure bracketing handheld. Phones do what is called "computational photography", and the camera manufacturers are beginning to do so as well in their latest offerings. It is A LOT more difficult in interchangeable lens cameras but I'm sure it is coming.

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Aug 30, 2021 13:16:44   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
imagemeister wrote:
If you use Sony, you can do fully processed in camera multi-exposure HDR similar to what the phones can do - Canon and Nikon, not so much ....
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I have a couple of Nikons that do it quite nicely... and simply, quickly and easily.

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Aug 30, 2021 13:46:39   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Rsangha wrote:
How amazingly high HDR is handles by cell phones - especially the I-Phone 12 PRO. My son showed me some pictures taken by the I-Phone 12 Pro in almost total darkness - and I was really astonished. I own the Canon 6D, Canon 80D and Canon RP bodies with several L series lenses (24-70, 70-200, 100mm F2.8) and none could emulate the HDR displayed by the I-Phone 12 Pro. I generally use Aperture priority and expose for the highlights. But when I tried to use that for shooting a picture of the full moon the surroundings are so dim I can never approach the quality of the I-Phone 12 Pro picture of the full moon with beautiful surrounding sky, foliage etc.
So my question is why cant Canon, Nikon etc do the same in camera pre-processing as these tiny cell phones and produce more acceptable images of scenes with extreme dynamic range!
How amazingly high HDR is handles by cell phones -... (show quote)

Just shoot bracketed subs and postprocess... Many great HDR software packages available.

bwa

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Aug 30, 2021 13:56:19   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
Racmanaz wrote:
"Phony look"? Pun intended?



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