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Jun 27, 2021 22:54:44   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
tcthome wrote:
Quit frankly, it is the focus system along with the buffer of the 30FPS for sports & wildlife that would warrant a want/need for a camera like this. Watch a vid af the viewfinder recording of the focus tracking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4hQJh-LX3M


Even if the focus and the buffer can keep up with 30 f.p.s. how many of us would need a camera like this? It's overkill, plain & simple.

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Jun 27, 2021 23:38:49   #
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Ched49 wrote:
Your missing my point...who the hell needs a camera that shoots 30 fps.

Good that you clarify that. There are very good reasons to use that speed. But you have asked “who”, and other than myself, I wouldn’t name names. And you did say “needs”, which I do recognize as being distinct from “wants”.

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Jun 27, 2021 23:50:39   #
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Ched49 wrote:
Even if the focus and the buffer can keep up with 30 f.p.s. how many of us would need a camera like this? It's overkill, plain & simple.

No AF problems for me, and 10 to 20 frames per burst is no challenge at all to the buffer. Folks who deny things tend to be folks who’ve never tried those things. It’s a UHH online experts custom. Too trivial to rank as a UHH sacred tradition.

But it’s quite easy to see how a clueless commentator would picture an equally clueless user doing bursts running for a number of seconds at a time. A rather bizarre behavior, but “birds of a feather.”

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Jun 28, 2021 08:09:17   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
Ched49 wrote:
I'm talking still cameras not video

So was I...it is rumored that Nikon will put the upcoming Z9 in the hands of pros for the Tokyo Olympics.

If you go back to my response you will see I said "pics from the Tokyo Olympics" not video.

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Jun 28, 2021 08:37:07   #
gouldopfl
 
The Canon EOS R series like all of the new mirrorless are great still cameras with video. Canon makes video only but all new mirrorless have both.

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Jun 28, 2021 09:35:48   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
RahulKhosla wrote:
Is it likely that Nikon mirrorless cameras will catch up with the capabilities and quality of top end Sony mirrorless cameras? As someone with a bunch of Nikon lenses - it’s daunting and expensive to consider a shift to Sony. I shoot mostly wildlife and birds in flight so high FPS and good performance tracking capabilities are important.


I haven't read every answer on this post in detail but so far have not seen anyone address the claim by Nikon that they have the largest opening (lens seat) of any of the mirrorless cameras. This is stated as an advantage and perhaps allows the lens elements to get even closer to the sensor which is why all mirrorless cameras have an advantage over DSLRs. If this is a real advantage, I believe Nikon will continue to improve other aspects of their system to challenge both Sony and Canon. I have both Sony (a7ii), and Nikon (almost all of them from the D300 to D850 and also a z50) and find the Nikon menus have a lot more to offer in terms of how a camera is set up and how it can be adjusted to an individual photographer's preferences. I recently read an article by a company that does independent testing of cameras and lenses about Nikon's 24-200 f4-f6.3 lens. It stated that this was the best super zoom they have ever tested. While it fell short by a slight bit of attaining the sharpness of prime lenses, it was still remarkable and could easily take the place of half a dozen prime lenses for someone wanting to travel and not have the desire to lug around a sack full of primes. The lens sells for 900.00, sometimes 800.00 on sale, and while it is not a cheap lens, it doesn't break the bank either. This shows me Nikon is still very much in the game. They always were known for their great lenses and it seems that tradition will continue.

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Jun 28, 2021 10:19:49   #
speedmaster Loc: Kendall, FL
 
The best tool is the one you know how to use... get the one you like and learn to use it fully and you will be ok.
I'm a Nikonian since 1975 and never thought about changing, with time you find how to master what the brand has best and to overcome any limitation.
Cheers

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Jun 28, 2021 10:25:43   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
RahulKhosla wrote:
That’s exactly what my worry is…..however what does one do with all that Nikon gear ??? Damn shame to sell it at a discount !


Similar to an old car that cannot keep up...Sell it, I did.

Cheers!

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Jun 28, 2021 12:48:42   #
rrayrob Loc: Las Vegas, NV
 
I am a Nikon shooter and considering making the switch to mirrorless camera. In my research, mirrorless cameras while great at tracking birds in flight-apparently in open sky-there is a focus issue when birds are sitting in trees with branches behind or in front of them. Cameras tend to focus on tree rather than bird. So if bird(s) are flying in front of trees, bushes, etc. camera may focus on tree and not bird. Also, the electronic eye function goes to "sleep" so if needing to shoot immediately there may be sight delay "waking camera up" before being able to focus and fire. Not bashing Nikon or other mirrorless cameras - just reporting what I've discovered. Hopefully, these issues will be fixed in forthcoming mirrorless cameras.

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Jun 28, 2021 14:52:34   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
RahulKhosla wrote:
Is it likely that Nikon mirrorless cameras will catch up with the capabilities and quality of top end Sony mirrorless cameras? As someone with a bunch of Nikon lenses - it’s daunting and expensive to consider a shift to Sony. I shoot mostly wildlife and birds in flight so high FPS and good performance tracking capabilities are important.


check on line ..... Ken Rockwell, Digital Photography Review(you can do a side by side comparison) and read their reviews .... Utube etc. ....

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Jun 28, 2021 18:15:47   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Bill_de wrote:
Before you make a big move based on the advancement in technology, you need to decide if those differences will make a difference in how you shoot or give better results.

If yes, go for it now. If you are not sure, stand pat. Whatever Nikon, Canon, or Sony can offer today, they will be offering better tomorrow.

I own a Z6 and Z50 with several Z lenses. My go to cameras when I go out shooting for the day are my DSLRs. I'm still more comfortable with them and the results I get suit me just fine.

My only advice after you read all the responses is to sit back and see how much of the advice pertains to your photography and how much has to do with wanting some new toys. Then do whatever makes YOU feel better.

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Before you make a big move based on the advancemen... (show quote)



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Jun 28, 2021 19:44:12   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The Sony A1 achieves 30 frames per second of 50MP images, capable of shooting and storing 1.5 gigapixels per second to the card. You're really going to let an investment in yesteryear's Nikon lenses hold you back from success with Sony? Sony replaced Nikon as number #2 worldwide in just 15ish years. Sony and Canon each sell 5 mirrorless cameras to the 1 mirrorless body Nikon is able to sell. There is no catching up for Nikon.


The Nikon Z Camera line has 4 bodies currently and several more in progress.

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Jun 28, 2021 19:56:04   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Ched49 wrote:
Even if the focus and the buffer can keep up with 30 f.p.s. how many of us would need a camera like this? It's overkill, plain & simple.


I have a Casio shirt pocket camera that does 70 frames per second. I might add it uses an electronic shutter and not a mechanical one, my educated guess is that the Sony A9 also uses the same.

By the way, Sony is not new to the camera business it just bought and renamed the Konica-Minolta company. I have two Minolta DSLRs that have 6 mp APSC sensors.

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Jun 28, 2021 20:14:41   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
letmedance wrote:
The Nikon Z Camera line has 4 bodies currently and several more in progress.


Canon sells more total cameras worldwide than Sony and Nikon combined. Sony is leading in specifically mirrorless cameras. Both industry leaders #1 Canon and #2 Sony are outpacing #3 Nikon in the area of mirrorless. Sony leads overall in 2020, selling slightly more than 5 mirrorless cameras to Canon's slightly less than 5 cameras to Nikon's only 1 mirrorless camera. (Sony - 1.15million, Canon 1.05m, Nikon 250k).

Until Nikon starts selling 10 cameras to every 1 each to Canon and Sony, it doesn't really matter how many more redundant models Nikon puts into the market.

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Jun 28, 2021 23:45:25   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Canon sells more total cameras worldwide than Sony and Nikon combined. Sony is leading in specifically mirrorless cameras. Both industry leaders #1 Canon and #2 Sony are outpacing #3 Nikon in the area of mirrorless. Sony leads overall in 2020, selling slightly more than 5 mirrorless cameras to Canon's slightly less than 5 cameras to Nikon's only 1 mirrorless camera. (Sony - 1.15million, Canon 1.05m, Nikon 250k).

Until Nikon starts selling 10 cameras to every 1 each to Canon and Sony, it doesn't really matter how many more redundant models Nikon puts into the market.
Canon sells more total cameras worldwide than Sony... (show quote)


Nikon had such winners in it's 810 camera and then the 850, they may have hung onto that technology longer than they should have. It probably should have jumped into the mirrorless arena at least a year before they did. It is hard to catch up once a company falls behind because they first need to make up the shortfall, then be able to do something new and relevant that will propel them to capture a larger percentage of the market. I recently was with a group of photographers on a field trip. There were two Fuji T4's, two Nikon 6, an Olympus, and I was using a D850. No Canon's in sight. I see that a lot. Canon may be the best selling cameras world wide, but here in the US, I think the numbers are a lot closer. Canon has done a lot better in the last few years with their pro lines and these aren't the cameras you see being used in the general public. I don't think Canon, Sony, or Nikon are going away anytime soon. The people who use the Fuji system are very devoted to that system and it seems they will continue to be a big player in the crop sensor camera arena. Panasonic (Lumix) has really concentrated on it's video capabilities and will continue as a leader in that area. I don't know what to think about Olympus. They seem to be hanging in there and they have some leading technology like the best weather proofing of any system and the most compact system. They also have some unique capture modes that other cameras do not have. All in all, the people who use Canon love their system, same for Nikon and same for Sony. The future does seem to be totally mirrorless, but I still like my DSLRs, I'm not alone in that. While I hope Nikon continues to improve the mirrorless line, I hope they don't totally abandon DSLRs.

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