Japanese Cameras.
billnikon wrote:
Most photographers with knowledge of photography know that the image is generated through the lens, without a quality lens, there can be no quality image.
So, the real value in photography is the quality of the lens, not the box that records it.
And Japan makes the best lenses.
So the real story of your post "Japanese Cameras" can be summed up by saying Canon still makes there BOXES in Japan, so what, the real issue is photography is the lens.
And the best lenses are made in Japan by Canon, Sony, Nikon and many others.
Oh, I forgot, the Nikon 70-200 2.8 FL lens is proudly made in Japan. I am sure I will think of some more after my morning coffee.
Nice post by the way, I have enjoyed it very much. Thanks for posting. Billnikon over and out.
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That’s sooooooo fuggedupp!!! No one cares about where lenses are made. It doesn’t matter much anywho. The obvious reason for caring more about the manufacturing quality of the camera body is that it’s far more complex than a lens and it is at work on EVERY shot.
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
BebuLamar wrote:
So what? I am talking about cameras and not lenses. Didn't say that any thing is useful or not.
As this threads author, you should embrace all responses.
rook2c4 wrote:
Does it really matter where the cameras are made?
There might be some difference, but the company builds the factory and trains the workers. So much of the work is done by machines, anyway. Are workers in some countries more dedicated? I'm not getting into that.
So why then when you go into a store to buy something everything is made in china. With so much stuff being mfg. in China, I've got to wonder is it really cheaper. I guessing not, so much stuff is or can be done thru automation why is it cheaper to send the raw materials to China have them made over there, then. the finished goods shipped back to the US for sale. Oh, maybe it's because our Government is paying our people better to stay home, sit on their asses and complain they are not getting enough free stuff for sitting on their assees doing nothing.
kymarto
Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
BebuLamar wrote:
You quoted the reason and here why it matters.
"Are Japanese fingers more agile and capable of precision work than fingers in India, China, Europe or elsewhere around the world?"
Either the Japanese are better workers or the companies cheated the workers from South East Asia. Either case it's not a good thing and I do not support companies that do so.
Unlike Japanese cars companies have their production in the US because it's where they sell the most cars. They don't sell the most cameras in South East Asia. The make it there only the cheat the poor workers.
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You could also look at it as providing well-paying jobs and bringing technical training to those countries that previously were in a lower tier both in wages and technology. If you look at China, you will see that a goodly portion of high end electronic goods, including smart phones, 5G tech, etc., comes from there. People complain about camera made in China, but in reality they have higher technological capabilities in many fields that the Japanese.
BebuLamar wrote:
I won't buy from those company that didn't pay much for the workers and spent millions for atheletes endorsement. I want to pay the people who make the product not the endorsers.
A noble thought, but just curious - who’s left to buy from?
Rick from NY wrote:
A noble thought, but just curious - who’s left to buy from?
It's difficult! I just have to avoid snickers as the companies who make them always sponsor some athletes so at least I don't pay for those. I have red wings but they don't make shoes for all occassions and only few are made in the USA. I feel bad for not being able to do what I want though. I seriously don't want to buy from companies that pay their workers cheap and pay high prices for advertizing.
Lest we forget, manufacturers are in business to make a profit, not to make products. The term for farming out production to another country is “comparative advantage”. It is more the norm today, than to only focus on the popular decision for a production site.
Many, many years ago when beer cans were made of tin, I was stationed in Japan. I bought a nice little briefcase. Used it while in Japan and brought it back to the States with me. I managed to drop it and break the front latches. Lo and behold, the latch was stamped out of a Black Label beer can! Still had the printing on the inside.
BebuLamar wrote:
You quoted the reason and here why it matters.
"Are Japanese fingers more agile and capable of precision work than fingers in India, China, Europe or elsewhere around the world?"
Either the Japanese are better workers or the companies cheated the workers from South East Asia. Either case it's not a good thing and I do not support companies that do so.
Unlike Japanese cars companies have their production in the US because it's where they sell the most cars. They don't sell the most cameras in South East Asia. The make it there only the cheat the poor workers.
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Sorry, but you are misinformed. Of course products are manufactured in SEA because wages are lower. BUT so is the cost of living. Nikon jobs in Thailand pay good wages by Thai standards and offer good working conditions, so they are highly sought after. The same is true of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Isuzu and Ford vehicles. Good pay; good jobs, and built to international quality standards. I've owned 4 pickup trucks and 2 cars here in Thailand all as good as or better than vehicles I've owned in the States. We currently own a Ford Ranger and a Ford Focus, both manufactured here and both excellent, trouble-free vehicles.
However, if you own an iPhone or similar mobile phone, it was probably made in China where they do cheat and abuse their workers. If you shop at Wal-Mart, most of what you buy was made in Chinese sweat shops where the workers... Well, you get the point.
Cheers,
Don Watson
Bangkok
Don W-37 wrote:
Sorry, but you are misinformed. Of course products are manufactured in SEA because wages are lower. BUT so is the cost of living. Nikon jobs in Thailand pay good wages by Thai standards and offer good working conditions, so they are highly sought after. The same is true of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Isuzu and Ford vehicles. Good pay; good jobs, and built to international quality standards. I've owned 4 pickup trucks and 2 cars here in Thailand all as good as or better than vehicles I've owned in the States. We currently own a Ford Ranger and a Ford Focus, both manufactured here and both excellent, trouble-free vehicles.
However, if you own an iPhone or similar mobile phone, it was probably made in China where they do cheat and abuse their workers. If you shop at Wal-Mart, most of what you buy was made in Chinese sweat shops where the workers... Well, you get the point.
Cheers,
Don Watson
Bangkok
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It's difficult to avoid and thus i don't own an Iphone or even a smartphone. I have a Kyocera flip phone and yes it's made in Japan.
TriX wrote:
That was before they embraced Deming’s principals of quality manufacturing. Regardless of the reason, in my opinion, the Japanese now traditionally produce the highest quality automobiles and electronics in the world, and neck and neck with the Germans for cameras (and typically more affordable). It’s not just the workers and their training, it’s the entire design, management, customer relations and QA philosophy of the companies. My only complaint with Japanese companies is from my experience, they tend to favor features over simplicity of design of the human interface, but that’s a personal opinion and preference.
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This is exactly the reason that Japanese products have been so dominant, and why the actual location of assembly matters less. The talent to create a production line that emphasizes quality is incredibly important.
My example concerns a US TV company that I worked for (Quasar) that was purchased by the Japanese company Matushita (Panasonic). The US production line in Illinois created something like 20 defects per unit that needed to be corrected before final shipment. Matsushita moved the production to Mexico, and, using a fairly transient work force, reduced the production line defect rate to under 5 per unit. Its all in the ability to create products in a manner that minimizes errors and standardizes quality.
rook2c4 wrote:
Does it really matter where the cameras are made? Are Japanese fingers more agile and capable of precision work than fingers in India, China, Europe or elsewhere around the world? Is there something uniquely special about the climate of Japan that makes for better product? I think not. What is important is how well the workers are trained, and also that the company has control over the quality of workmanship and materials.
Japanese "mindset" in the work place does really matter imho.
Ironically my father and uncles were WWII soldiers
and because the Japanese were a cruel enemy
they would not touch a Japanese product until
one uncle, whos job in the war was "Dispatch Rider"
(a motorcyclist) started buying Japanese motorcycles
in the late 60s.
My father never bought a Japanese
product to his dying day.
It was Chrysler and Agfa for him.
That mindset rubbed off on me until I succumbed
to the obvious excellence of Jap bikes, like my Uncle...
then other Japanese products.
Now I have a fair bit of faith in the Japanese... who'd a thunk it.
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