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Jun 1, 2021 06:57:33   #
medphotog Loc: Witness protection land
 
Burkley wrote:
Thank you all. Very helpful. It will take me a bit to digest it all. I was not familiar with Frankfort Horizontal, or the advantages of flash over fixed light.


Not a problem. I played the game for over 40 years and dealt with the plastics kids regularly. The residents at first would routinely shoot the patient in the clinic before sending them up to us in the studio but generally quit that practice once they saw our turn around time and "how my/our images were so much better than theirs." (Duh, they're paid to do doctor type stuff) If you have any questions let me know and I'll try to help. (Unless it's mole mapping. That would be a nightmare to explain via text.)

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Jun 1, 2021 08:14:50   #
Burkley Loc: Park City
 
Thank you all. I will look at the floor plans today when back in the current office and make some personal contacts. Photography presents a challenge for us because we are not big enough to have a dedicated photographer and are simply too busy taking care of the sick and maimed in our community to routinely take photos ourselves. I appreciate all the insights. Most of the books and articles on medical photographic documentation are antiquated, from lighting to capture to storage. I appreciate all the input.

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Jun 1, 2021 11:37:10   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
The only thing I didn't see/missed, was where the comparative photos were taken - how large or small an area of the body? If surgery/accident scarring and repair on the body, breast enhancements/reductions, tattoo removal, etc. this will change your lighting considerably compared to images of just an eye, nose, chin, cheek, etc.

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Jun 1, 2021 13:25:43   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Burkley wrote:
Thank you all. I will look at the floor plans today when back in the current office and make some personal contacts. Photography presents a challenge for us because we are not big enough to have a dedicated photographer and are simply too busy taking care of the sick and maimed in our community to routinely take photos ourselves. I appreciate all the insights. Most of the books and articles on medical photographic documentation are antiquated, from lighting to capture to storage. I appreciate all the input.
Thank you all. I will look at the floor plans tod... (show quote)


There are some very complex aspects of clinical photography, however, if the images are not used for critical diagnostic purposes or extremely exact teaching illustrations, it is not an overly complicated procedure to set up a simple but effective and easy to use and access setup or before, after and progressive recording of a patient's improvments. It can be operated by any staff member with simple instructions and should no be a distraction from their regular duties.

Back in the olden days, when I first became aware of this kind of work, surgical atlases contained mostly drawings and airbrush illustrations rather than photography. Some of the early publications on medical photography do contain rather antiquated methods, however, many of them are still valid except for equipment updates and choices. The advent of digital imaging has influenced all kinds of medical imaging- X-ray- Ultra-Sound etc. all for better and faster access.

Good luck in your project and thank you for your service as a healer! My occasional work in veteran's hospitals has shown me that plastic surgery is not only for rhinoplasty and glamourous improvements.

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Jun 1, 2021 14:09:23   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Burkley wrote:
I have never shot in a studio. I am setting up a new office and will want to take serial photos of patients’ facial contours to compare before and after results of surgical interventions. I do some cosmetics but mainly reconstruction surgeries fixing traumatic injuries or other’s less desirable outcomes. The pictures are taken by medical assistants so simplicity and reproducibility are keys. With the advent of LED studio lights, I wanted to mount LED studio lights that can be turned on with a switch, paint a wall with background paint and place foot positions on the floor so that the patient can easily turn to the appropriate angles. Currently, we use a portable ring light with a fabric background in an exam room.

My questions: what lights would you use and at what angle from the center would you place them? Would you place any lighting on the ceiling? Or, would you just continue with a ring light on a moveable stand?
I have never shot in a studio. I am setting up a n... (show quote)


The ASPS and PSEF have a document about this. I found a copy here:
https://drsunol.com/pdf/fotografia-cirugia-estetica-plastica-joaquim-sunol.pdf

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Jun 1, 2021 18:39:18   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
dsmeltz wrote:
The ASPS and PSEF have a document about this. I found a copy here:
https://drsunol.com/pdf/fotografia-cirugia-estetica-plastica-joaquim-sunol.pdf


That is an excellent, up-to-date resource of information. It is written by the professional association of Plastic Surgeons. The setup is clearly explained and the instructions are easy to follow. Good illustrations!

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Jun 2, 2021 07:14:20   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
That is an excellent, up-to-date resource of information. It is written by the professional association of Plastic Surgeons. The setup is clearly explained and the instructions are easy to follow. Good illustrations!


I just did a search to find it, but was also very impressed with the precision. This would result in very different before and after shots than what we are used to seeing in diet and exercise machine adds.

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Jun 2, 2021 08:31:34   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
dsmeltz wrote:
I just did a search to find it, but was also very impressed with the precision. This would result in very different before and after shots than what we are used to seeing in diet and exercise machine ads.


I have shot ad layouts for fitness-related clients- gyms, diet plans, diet drinks and foods, diet pills, and exercise machines and devices. The art directors and ad-agency account executives always want the BEFORE guy or gal to seem unhappy (unsmiling), too obviously overweight and out of shape, and somewhat unfashionably dressed. The AFTER images are happy, upbeat, and well dressed and styled. It might be subtle but it is there and very common. I suspect that some of those images are retouched to reduce the appearance of body mass- probably illegal auto FTC or other consumer protection policies. The folks at Portrait-Pro now have body retouching software- you don't even need to be an expert retoucher are airbrush artist to knock of those pounds- in a picture, that is!

Well-crafted medical photographs, especially where plastic surgery and facial aesthetics are concerned, are strictly documentary and shot to particular standards as to camera and subject position and unembellished but clear lighting.

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Jun 2, 2021 08:40:41   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I have shot ad layouts for fitness-related clients- gyms, diet plans, diet drinks and foods, diet pills, and exercise machines and devices. The art directors and ad-agency account executives always want the BEFORE guy or gal to seem unhappy (unsmiling), too obviously overweight and out of shape, and somewhat unfashionably dressed. The AFTER images are happy, upbeat, and well dressed and styled. It might be subtle but it is there and very common. I suspect that some of those images are retouched to reduce the appearance of body mass- probably illegal auto FTC or other consumer protection policies. The folks at Portrait-Pro now have body retouching software- you don't even need to be an expert retoucher are airbrush artist to knock of those pounds- in a picture, that is!

Well-crafted medical photographs, especially where plastic surgery and facial aesthetics are concerned, are strictly documentary and shot to particular standards as to camera and subject position and unembellished but clear lighting.
I have shot ad layouts for fitness-related clients... (show quote)


"subtle" Ok. If that makes you feel good. Before and after shots in those ads are "subtle"
They are also fodder for lots of eye rolling.
But you have to do what the client wants.
Unfortunately there are millions of people out there who miss what is obvious to others in those ads. I mean facing forward slumped in bad posture with bad lighting and then standing up, sucking it in at a 1/4 to full profile with diffuse lighting. I sometimes think the before and after shots were done on the same day.

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Jun 2, 2021 08:51:24   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Thank you dsmeltz... Although it is 15 years old (©2006 Plastic Surgery Educational Foundation) the material is excellently presented with superb illustrative imagery... Downloaded and saved...

The logic of creating a "Calibrated" workflow is stellar and endearing...
I actually use a somewhat similar approach for Catalog Fashion and Beauty Renderings...

Once I have dialed in the desired illumination aesthetic with my mono lights in the studio (using manikins) I place subtle markings on the floor which allows for initial test exposures to be very close to what I'm typically going for...

Time with a client and a full team on set is very precious indeed... Enough said....

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