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May 15, 2021 19:50:33   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
I highly recommend Affinity Photo. I use On1, Nik and Topaz as plugins in Affinity. I'm in love with the live brushes and would never go back to Adobe.

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May 15, 2021 21:27:59   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
EdJ0307 wrote:
I have been using pse 14 for years. I tried opening it earlier today and it said I had to sign in. I never had to do that before. I tried signing in but was informed my email and/or password weren't any good and to update the password. Did that but still wouldn't take it. I went to adobe's website - help center and got hold of somebody I could chat with and he told me that adobe doesn't support 14 any more and I will have to purchase the current version of pse or subscribe to photoshop and/or lightroom. That's not going to happen.
Does anybody have a recommendation for a photo editing program? I would appreciate the information.
Thank you.
I have been using pse 14 for years. I tried openin... (show quote)
I use Corel Aftershot Pro 3 and Paintshop Pro. One time fee to purchase and no subscription fees. It does everything and more than what I need. I'm very happy with it

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May 15, 2021 23:37:59   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
EdJ0307 wrote:
I have been using pse 14 for years. I tried opening it earlier today and it said I had to sign in. I never had to do that before. I tried signing in but was informed my email and/or password weren't any good and to update the password. Did that but still wouldn't take it. I went to adobe's website - help center and got hold of somebody I could chat with and he told me that adobe doesn't support 14 any more and I will have to purchase the current version of pse or subscribe to photoshop and/or lightroom. That's not going to happen.
Does anybody have a recommendation for a photo editing program? I would appreciate the information.
Thank you.
I have been using pse 14 for years. I tried openin... (show quote)


ALL ONE TIME PURCHASE SOFTWARE will eventually reach a point of no support. But, the program will still work untill the operating system upgrades to the point of causing some older software to not work anymore without some finesse. Just something we all have to live with and learn to work around, or go monthly, and not worry anymore. Ado be e is not messing with you. It's business.

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May 16, 2021 01:16:18   #
AzYooper Loc: Sun Lakes AZ (Almost Phoenix)
 
thegrover wrote:
Remember when you had an SLR film camera and you where forced to spend $10 every 36 exposures for film and developing? If you did not your were locked out of using that camera?


I agree. Take your savings on film and get the constantly updated and upgraded LR/PS subscription. Still don't understand why people fight and demean this and want to live in the past. The LR/PS subscription is the best deal in photography...IMHO.

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May 16, 2021 02:47:53   #
twosummers Loc: Melbourne Australia or Lincolnshire England
 
Give DXO Photolab and Luminar AI a try

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May 16, 2021 07:18:28   #
w8vln
 
that is one reason to write down ALL of your pass words to web sites and keep the record,
However the problem may NOT be with the company you mention... the problem nowadays is what company are YOU using for a search engine..........Some search engines are in control of your passwords in their memories for a fast way to get to YOUR destination. LARRY

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May 16, 2021 07:28:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Lots of good choices -

Affinity
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/software-review-affinity-photo-1-5-2
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/affinity-photo-software-review-has-photoshop-met-its-match#d1c5lY5EQ03QoLjh.97
http://www.diyphotography.net/affinity-photo-can-give-adobe-run-money/
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/affinity-photo-1.5,review-4257.html

Others
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-lightroom-alternatives
http://digital-photography-school.com/a-beginners-guide-to-choosing-the-right-post-production-software/
https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/photo-editing
https://www.reviews.com/photo-editing-software/
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-photo-editing-software,review-1972.html
http://www.redmondpie.com/best-adobe-photoshop-alternatives-for-windows-and-mac-list Affinity
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/affinity-photo-software-review-has-photoshop-met-its-match#d1c5lY5EQ03QoLjh.97
http://www.diyphotography.net/affinity-photo-can-give-adobe-run-money/
https://photographypro.com/photo-editing/

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May 16, 2021 07:31:57   #
starlifter Loc: Towson, MD
 
If you have a Nikon thier NX Studio is not bad and it's free. Of course you can't change the sky but it works for me.

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May 16, 2021 09:46:12   #
EdJ0307 Loc: out west someplace
 
frankraney wrote:
ALL ONE TIME PURCHASE SOFTWARE will eventually reach a point of no support. But, the program will still work untill the operating system upgrades to the point of causing some older software to not work anymore without some finesse. Just something we all have to live with and learn to work around, or go monthly, and not worry anymore. Ado be e is not messing with you. It's business.
I've used Microsoft Money for a gazillion years. Even after they stopped supporting the program it still works. I don't give a diddly fig that it isn't supported. The only issue I have with Money is that I can't pay bills with the program which I can live without since I can go online with my bank to pay my bills.
I would still like to use PSE14 even if it isn't support. Not supported? So what? I have never tried to contact Adobe for support in the past and can't see having to contact them in the future.

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May 16, 2021 09:52:15   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
EdJ0307 wrote:
I've used Microsoft Money for a gazillion years. Even after they stopped supporting the program it still works. I don't give a diddly fig that it isn't supported. The only issue I have with Money is that I can't pay bills with the program which I can live without since I can go online with my bank to pay my bills.
I would still like to use PSE14 even if it isn't support. Not supported? So what? I have never tried to contact Adobe for support in the past and can't see having to contact them in the future.
I've used Microsoft Money for a gazillion years. E... (show quote)

If you ignore everyone that has no interest in helping, did you note several others are using older PSE versions? Two, at least, offered ideas / actions to investigate. What are the results of those ideas?

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May 16, 2021 10:08:46   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
EdJ0307 wrote:
I've used Microsoft Money for a gazillion years. Even after they stopped supporting the program it still works. I don't give a diddly fig that it isn't supported. The only issue I have with Money is that I can't pay bills with the program which I can live without since I can go online with my bank to pay my bills.
I would still like to use PSE14 even if it isn't support. Not supported? So what? I have never tried to contact Adobe for support in the past and can't see having to contact them in the future.
I've used Microsoft Money for a gazillion years. E... (show quote)


Reread my post, and others. You can probably still use it, you just have to figure out what the problem is. Have you tried any of the suggestions by Paul and others?

Adobe is not messing with you. This is part of evolution. They wouldn't stay in business if they kept supporting the same software nobody else would upgrade. You're still using Microsoft money because it's still works it is not supported although, so if and when it stops working it's up to you to do some research figure out why and get it working again without support from them.

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May 16, 2021 11:24:30   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
Gene51 wrote:
Do you really expect a company to provide free lifetime support on a $70 software product? That's their way of weaning users off of old obsolete software. After all, they own the rights and you only purchased the permission to use their property.



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May 16, 2021 11:33:46   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
Ed, I want to point out something that seems glossed over. I've been a Photoshop fan since 2003. But it did not cost me $79, as suggested here. It cost me $660 for the first copy. Then every three years (the maximum time you can go and still ""purchase an upgrade""), I had to spend $250+, and that continued all the way until about 2015, when PSCS5 was the last one ""purchased"". So there you have it, more than $1,400 spent on Photoshop. Now, with PSCS5 on my two year old iMac, I can """use""" it, but the program instantly shuts down when I try to print anything. So it is of no use to me. Not any more. I fully understand Adobe to stop "selling PS". For years, I was angered to hear customers in stores like MicroCenter, brag about how they had Photoshop on their computerS, and yet paid nothing. So, renting it out, as Adobe does now, makes business sense, and I support them.

This all said, I purchased Affinity Photo for $49, use it full time, and I'm not looking back. So for anyone looking for an alternate software to purchase, I support Affinity Photo 110%.

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May 16, 2021 11:37:13   #
sv3noKin51E
 
starlifter wrote:
If you have a Nikon thier NX Studio is not bad and it's free. Of course you can't change the sky but it works for me.


We use the older version of Nikon's editing software on an offline workstation. It works quite well for our needs without any 'support' or upgrades. The same is true for our versions of LR, DarkTable, ON1, and other editing options, most of which are 'free'. This way of doing things isn't for everyone, now that so many spend so much of their time on the internet. After working in the computer industry for decades, the only time I contacted a company for support was long ago, MS had a unpublished hotfix for Windows XP and it was the only time I ever requested support.

Not everyone is able to learn the computer specifics of configuring/using an OS and other software which is used on an offline workstation, but it's a simple joy once set up to never have to be connected to the web. Once setup, an offline workstation saves time, money and hassles for those who don't want to be always online. After retiring, we had all of the time we never had before, to to make and edit photographs, videos and music, now that traveling still isn't in the cards. The offline machine never needs updating, nor can be attacked; it always runs at warp speed, and never needs anti-virus/malware/spyware software or multiple firewalls. Every CPU cycle is instead spent on pure enjoyment of editing and enjoying the process of creating photos or music.

ON1 is a great progam since the commpany has historically chosen to allow their customers to buy/own their editing software for a certain number of seats/machines, and no one is pestered to upgrade. ON1 Photo Raw 2021 and others like it are easy to download or update on or offline if wanted. Download to an online computer then transfer via the trusty 'sneakernet' method to the offline workstation, install then update with a special code generated from the users account, then transfered from the online to the offline workstation using a secure USB drive. Everything has a learning curve but the few extra steps involved os easoer than dealing with the internet all the time, dealing with the weaponized web. Most older photogs I've known for 60 years haven't needed software support. They spend their extra time shooting then editing on weekends. Transfering/uploading offline photos to an online workstation via a USB thumb drive is easy as long as the online workstation has layered security protection. This protects offline machine so it's never exposed, targeted or compromised. It's doable and isn't difficult.

It's each person's choice, a matter of how one values their work/personal time and money. Those who go this route have choosen not to permit any company to sink their hooks into their life, money and their computer. Anyone who wants can learn the technical steps necessary to work offline, especially those who don't feel they want to put up with the eternal frustration of being pestered, hacked or 'screwed' by anyone.

Since the beginning of time, companies/corporations exist to enable their shareholders a share of the company profits for the money they pay/invest. This means customers will always need to update/upgrade the software and widgets, similar to the idea of constantly rearranging different colored deck chairs on the Titanic. This keeps online customers buying new, improved versions software/widgets. This sounds like a classic line from the 'Police Squad
flicks with Leslie Nielson, or a certain James Bond film where a character says 'customers will be forced to upgrade for years because as planned, the software is loaded with bugs!' The software companies have weaned customers to do thiings the way they do business. the marketing departments put forth artwork and photos encouraging everyone to expect that every so often, customers will expect to pay for new releases and 'features' in the next version, with more eternal bug fixes.

As for 'why is Adobe/Acme plumbing screwing with anyone, it's what they do, to help keep all their workers and execurtives eating and jetting around.

Several older photographers we know have sadly fallen to Covid, but those folks seemed much happier once they took the plunge to work offline, since nothing dragged their workstation down, nor diverted their time away from their photography or other pursuits. When something bad happens to the online computer, it's fairly easy to pull the compromised/hacked/dead OS/system drive out, and to replace it with a recently cloned backup drive. In many areas of the country, sufficient bandwidth isn't always available and all ISPs are getting hammered. Keeping rotating weekly offline backups of one's OS, software (licensees) and photo drive isnt' really hard then all your work is safe and in seperate locations. This takes a bit of time and money but once it's up and running, it's a safe and easy system to use.

Just a few thoughts shared with folks on a Sunday, everyone stay safe, well, and keep on shooting:)

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May 16, 2021 12:49:26   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
There's two types of people in this world, those who use google and victims. What are you going to be?


Yes.

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