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Apr 20, 2021 06:28:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
R.G. wrote:
Trends come and go. " I think the simple fact is that pictorialism is alive and well and a popular choice among the creatives in photography and editing. I think the truth is it never went away. Whether it will be mainstream or not is pretty much irrelevant to my mind. It's there for anyone that wants to find it and that which has true worth will also have staying power.
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Apr 20, 2021 07:55:09   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
How about we just let folks do their own things and not bitch about it?

I enjoy seeing all kinds of photography whether it’s what I do or not. If I find a photo here that I don’t care for, I just move on.

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Apr 20, 2021 08:44:42   #
Bayou
 
srt101fan wrote:
Mittihigh, it would really help if you used the "Quote Reply" button. Otherwise we have no clue who you're talking to....😕


The OP has no clue who he is replying to.

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Apr 20, 2021 08:59:55   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
miteehigh wrote:
Naively capitalistic. Artists are less concerned with money than personal expression I could give a crap about shooting portraits or children's soccer games. But then I am financially independent and do not need to suckle on someone's teat.



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Apr 20, 2021 09:00:56   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
jaymatt wrote:
How about we just let folks do their own things and not bitch about it?

I enjoy seeing all kinds of photography whether it’s what I do or not. If I find a photo here that I don’t care for, I just move on.


True artists do not follow "trends" unless financial concerns make it a must - at least temporarily - but the ultimate personal and financial success comes from following what personally pleases us most !
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Apr 20, 2021 09:49:20   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
miteehigh wrote:
Read my response to larryepage and apply it to your comment as well.


Since you refuse to use “Quote Reply” we don’t know who you’re attacking. Actually from reading your responses it looks like you have no clue who you’re attacking either. You’re mighty high on yourself.

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Apr 20, 2021 10:03:41   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
There seems to be missing a note about what our intentions might be on any particular occasion:
When I’m asked to photograph a friends wedding or birthday party, my goal is reality with some perhaps “made up situations.
When I’m shooting for my own pleasure, my goal is to reproduce an image I’ve created in my mind, starting with a scene or object of my choosing.
If I were to be shooting for a historical record or a news item, reality returns as a goal.
Most of the time though, I seek beauty in the final image, while recognizing that my version of “beauty” may differ from yours.
I long ago made the decision that my situation relieved me of a need to sell photographs to sustain my interest. I was and remain fearful of being in thrall to a financial or personal need for sales, because the need to sell would turn a rewarding hobby into an unpleasant chore. I’m envious of those who have the skills and attitude that make it a pleasure to shoot for a living, but at the same time, for me, I’m grateful that I don’t have to.
The pleasure is in the process, and the reward is an image that I can enjoy forever!

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Apr 20, 2021 11:01:03   #
Paul J. Svetlik Loc: Colorado
 
The idea or a message conveyed to others is the goal.
It doesn't matter whether you use the most recent large format digital "Brownie" one hundred years old uncoated lens film camera or a pinhole home-made creation?
Let us "read" the image and THINK!

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Apr 20, 2021 11:54:31   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I believe that there is something for everyone on UHH. All one has to do is subscribe to the forum that meets their interest. Personally, I simply enjoy seeing the images posted by others for many times I see something that I could not have seen otherwise.

I also find UHH to be a place where folks can post and share what they see through their lens regardless of what gear they use and their ability. Many images are highly modified in post so those become more computer skills than camera skills although Ansel Adams was a master of 'dodge and burn' in the development of his images.

The forums are also places to find inspiration as well as being a valuable source of education. All of the members are personal experts at something and the advice they can offer is unlimited. I learn more about non-photography subjects here than I do most other sites that I visit. I suspect that the accumulated age of knowledge here would reach the moon if it could be measured.

There is even things to be learned in the "Attic" here although one may want to have a stiff drink before they go there.

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Apr 20, 2021 12:01:14   #
Jagnut07 Loc: South Carolina
 
miteehigh wrote:
Naively capitalistic. Artists are less concerned with money than personal expression I could give a crap about shooting portraits or children's soccer games. But then I am financially independent and do not need to suckle on someone's teat.


The saying and meaning is you “couldn’t give a crap” and not “could give a crap”. If you are going to use these sayings then please get it right. Just a pet peeve of mine that so many people use saying such as this without thinking about the meaning and get it totally wrong. OK got it off my chest. Thanks.

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Apr 20, 2021 12:34:14   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
Everybody likes something different. I looked at the three Instagram suggested sites and didn't care for any of them. Didn't NOT LIKE them just didn't like them.
Does that make me wrong or the poster right? No, just different taste.

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Apr 20, 2021 12:34:21   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Jagnut07 wrote:
The saying and meaning is you “couldn’t give a crap” and not “could give a crap”. If you are going to use these sayings then please get it right. Just a pet peeve of mine that so many people use saying such as this without thinking about the meaning and get it totally wrong. OK got it off my chest. Thanks.


I could give a crap about your pedantic comment, but I don’t. 😜🤪

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Apr 20, 2021 12:34:32   #
htbrown Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
miteehigh wrote:
I realize that the practice of photography means different things to different people. This site seems to be quite heavily involved with bird photography and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that if that provides enjoyment to those practitioners.

There is another aspect of photography that is heavily involved in photography for "art" sake. The photography of Ansel Adams, Edward Weston and Brett Weston were such photographers. The F64 Group founded during that era was almost a rebellious affront to the earlier pictorialists. Everything in focus, no soft focus, stunning tonal gradation marked the photographs of that era. Michael Smith and his wife Paula Chamlee produced stunning imagery with film contact printed on silver chloride emulsion papers like Kodak's Azo.

I have noticed a return to a pictorialist output recently. Soft focus is again in vogue. Ancient processes like Platinum/Paladium printing, wet and dry plate collodian, bromoil to name a few. We can look upon the photographs of Sally Mann as an example of this resurgeance.

Having photographed for over 35 years with cameras that produced as large as 12X20 inch film negatives, I know what a fine photograph looks like. I find the recent resurgeance of pictorialism by some as quite appealing.

I sometimes think that we are too caught up in illustration at the expense of art. If one examines the early photographs of Steiglitz, Leonard Missone and Josef Sudek we do not find the ultimate in sharpness. We find instead that these photographs are often dark, soft focused and exuding a beautiful sense of light. After all are we not involved in depicting light and shadow. A photograph that tells too much, for me, does not invite the viewer to engage in the process. Questions asked, for me, are more effective than stories told.
I realize that the practice of photography means d... (show quote)


Some of the early pictorialists produced some lovely work. But understanding who they were and who the f/64 group was is important. To simplify, the pictorialists were trying to prove photography is art by mimicking paintings. The f/64 group rebelled against that and said photography was its own art that should be evaluated on its own terms. That battle was won fifty years ago or more. Today, very few would argue that a photograph cannot be art because it was produced by a 'machine.'

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Apr 20, 2021 12:48:47   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I am guilty of shooting flower photos. It is a way for me to practice close-up photography; it's a way to find new ways to do old things; I didn't travel last year (and this year is a question mark) and flowers are a way to change my photographic pace; plus, it was a long winter and the flowers are finally blooming!

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Apr 20, 2021 13:25:37   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
larryepage wrote:
You are correct that trends change. Remember that Ansel Adams started out as a pictorialist until one day he decided that it was more interesting to present his visualization of a subject rather than the more literal pictorial representation of it.

I would suggest that early photographic equipment was limited to a more pictorial scope. Lenses were limited in resolution and fidelity, correction techniques were not yet well known (or at least well understood), and photographic materials were limited in the range of tonality that they could display.

There would seem to be a parallel to the limited capability and fidelity of which an analog electron gun/phosphor television is capable compared to what even an obaolescent 720P set can display. Now that we have moved past 1080P to 4k, 8k, and beyond, it is difficult to identify who might want to go back. (And yes, I am aware of the interest in film and vinyl records, but that is mostly folks pursuing it for themselves, not others.)

So I don't know. I hope this will be an interesting discussion. For now, I'm at least a little bit skeptical.
You are correct that trends change. Remember that ... (show quote)


Sorry, you are confusing Edward Weston with Ansel Adams here. Weston was a commercial portrait photographer and did work in the style of the Pictorialist. Offered a place on the Linked Ring and such. He had his ''come to Jesus'' experience and turned to the realm of modern art. Except in his early adolescence, Adams was a type of 'literalist', though he was also a Spiritualist most all his life.

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