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Mar 1, 2021 13:35:13   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
sb wrote:
By "socialism" do you mean the Social Security and Medicare that you enjoy, the public schools your children attended, and the "free" fire and police services, public libraries, roads and bridges? Not to mention all of the federal agencies that apply all those horrible "regulations" - the kind that keeps our airlines safe to fly, our water safe to dink, our food safe to eat, and our air safe to breathe?


No probably referring to the socialism that has killed many untold millions, is raping, killing and exterminating Uyghurs and arresting those in HK right now... you know - that sort of socialism.

I have paid into Social Security my entire life, tell me how to get out of it please. If i took the very same amount of money and invested it, id be set! I have paid School taxes for schools and my very fair share for all the rest. There is only "FREE" in the mind of a liberal.

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Mar 1, 2021 13:38:02   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
RichieC wrote:
No probably referring to the socialism that has killed many untold millions, is raping, killing and exterminating Uyghurs and arresting those in HK right now... you know - that sort of socialism.

I have paid into Social Security my entire life, tell me how to get out of it please. If i took the very same amount of money and invested it, id be set! I have paid School taxes for schools and my very fair share for all the rest. There is only "FREE" in the mind of a liberal.


You should move to Texas. Less socialism there.

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Mar 1, 2021 14:40:57   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Stage Design with a Nazi influence?! But to see it why would it take an elevated perspective that a person in the audience would not see. If you want them to see a Nazi logo behind your candidate you should take a more Democrat and straightforward approach.


"My candidate?"


Yer such a great caricature!

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Mar 1, 2021 15:10:39   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Stage design!? Of course. Who knows more about this than Hollywood? And we have been ignoring the power of stage productions all these years? Hey, I saw 'Springtime for Hitler" and marveled at the stage production but, with all the characters it reminded me of the Democrat National Convention.

'D' (for Democrats, Death, and Devil-with a 5 pointed star) 'to America', is in plain English to me.


You should check the American flag, it has 50, 5 pointed stars.

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Mar 1, 2021 15:21:38   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Frank T wrote:
You should check the American flag, it has 50, 5 pointed stars.


Like you, Foto is just a caricature!

Why are you trying to talk to him?

You guys are both unwavering to new facts.

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Mar 2, 2021 01:09:57   #
cwp3420
 
berchman wrote:
Critics on Twitter have been chilled by a major design element of the stage at the Conservative Political Action Conference that eerily resembles the insignia of a volunteer unit of Adolf Hitler’s notorious Waffen SS.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cpac-waffen-ss-twitter-stage-matt-schlapp_n_603aee30c5b601179ebdf902?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006


Man you liberals have very active imaginations. LOL

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Mar 2, 2021 07:57:36   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Man you liberals have very active imaginations. LOL


At the just-wrapped Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, headlining speaker Donald Trump made an inflammatory speech from a strange, zig-zagging stage. The speech, of course, drew attention, but it featured largely the kind of content we have grown to expect from the former president. The stage itself, however, drew anger for its shape — identical to that of the Odal or Othala rune, historically used as a Nazi insignia.

There is nothing inherently antisemitic about the basic Othala rune, which indicates an O sound in a Proto-Germanic language; the rune stands for estate, property and inheritance. But the Nazi party employed a variant of the rune with added serifs, or “feet” as the symbol of the SS Race and Settlement Office as well as a division of the Volksdeutsche, a movement of ethnic Germans who lived outside Germany and did not hold German citizenship. It is classified as a hate symbol and a neo-Nazi symbol by the ADL. This version with added feet, which was created by the Nazi party in the 1930s, was used for the CPAC stage.

The SS Race and Settlement Office included genetic scientists who were in charge of making sure SS officers and their wives remained “pure,” as well as reassigning formerly Jewish-owned land that the Nazis had seized. It was the office in charge of the heart of the Nazis’ racist philosophy, studying the supposedly superior Aryan traits and trying to reproduce them in order to “Germanicize” sufficiently white Poles and Ukrainians by overseeing their marriages.

Matt Schlap, the CPAC chairman, called comparisons between the rune and the CPAC stage “outrageous and slanderous.”

But the rune is a unique shape, and one that is not obviously conducive to a conference stage, given that it has a large hollow space in the center — all speakers emerging from backstage needed to take a circuitous zigzagging route to the lectern, and the number of people the stage could hold was limited.

While the rune’s history may not have been known by all the organizers, it’s not an obscure historical relic; the Othala rune is still an active symbol. In more recent years, the rune has been used by the far right White Liberation Movement in South Africa and neo-Nazi groups in the U.S. and New Zealand. It is also still a part of pagan movements and used by those practicing Nordic religions, which often have a significant overlap with white supremacist movements.

Paganism, like the original Othala rune itself, is not inherently antisemitic, but is often tied to white supremacist movements. “The idea of a racialized culture belonging to whiteness is a key engine of the far right,” Talia Lavin writes in her book “Culture Warlords.” This is the same appeal as the runic symbol held for the Nazis Volksdeutsche, an idea of returning to the true and ultimate German people, and it still operates in today’s white nationalist movements. Some white supremacists, looking for a white history that is divorced entirely from Jewishness or any other minority, often end up in Nordic or pagan mythologies. “Jesus, after all, was a Jew,” Lavin writes. “This is perhaps the ultimate example of how difficult it is to transcend antisemitism; you can literally be Jesus Christ and it won’t be enough for some people.”

CPAC is not, at least overtly, full of pagans. Josh Mandel, an Ohio Republican running for election, thanked the organizers for being “Christian Zionists” in response to the stage scandal. But Christian Zionists do have a long history of antisemitism.

This year, CPAC was careful to keep overt antisemitism and white nationalism out of the conference, canceling Young Pharaoh as a speaker for his antisemitic remarks. But the increasing anti-minority and white supremacist tilt of Trump’s followers has been clear for a long time, even before the attack on the Capitol. But white supremacy doesn’t have to be explicit to still be there. If nothing else, it seems a fitting accident.

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Mar 2, 2021 08:41:38   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
I wish people would not refer to this event as the “CPAC”. In past I enjoyed it as a meeting of true conservatives .

This past weekend is was “TPAC” - T for trump. Nothing more than a rally for it trump kool aid drinkers and far from true conservatism .

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Mar 2, 2021 08:54:03   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
RichieC wrote:
No probably referring to the socialism that has killed many untold millions, is raping, killing and exterminating Uyghurs and arresting those in HK right now... you know - that sort of socialism.

I have paid into Social Security my entire life, tell me how to get out of it please. If i took the very same amount of money and invested it, id be set! I have paid School taxes for schools and my very fair share for all the rest. There is only "FREE" in the mind of a liberal.


Please explain how socialism is responsible for raping, killing, and exterminating Uyghurs. Please keep in mind that correlation and causation are not the same thing. I really don't know LA Shooter's position, but if he is consistent he is on the Chinese governments side on this one. The Uyghurs are, after all, Muslim. Why are you not against totalitarian governments, as long as they don't proclaim themselves socialist, or communist?

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Mar 2, 2021 08:57:16   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
mwalsh wrote:
"My candidate?"


Yer such a great caricature!


You must be practicing for when you have the occasion to reply to an actual human being, rather than something that serves to prove that artificial intelligence still needs a lot of work.

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Mar 2, 2021 11:41:44   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
berchman wrote:
Critics on Twitter have been chilled by a major design element of the stage at the Conservative Political Action Conference that eerily resembles the insignia of a volunteer unit of Adolf Hitler’s notorious Waffen SS.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cpac-waffen-ss-twitter-stage-matt-schlapp_n_603aee30c5b601179ebdf902?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006


Well, the Republican Nazi Party is now on display for the world. In a very short time the only people still supporting the Republican Party will be racists.

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Mar 2, 2021 18:43:49   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
berchman wrote:
At the just-wrapped Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, headlining speaker Donald Trump made an inflammatory speech from a strange, zig-zagging stage. The speech, of course, drew attention, but it featured largely the kind of content we have grown to expect from the former president. The stage itself, however, drew anger for its shape — identical to that of the Odal or Othala rune, historically used as a Nazi insignia.

There is nothing inherently antisemitic about the basic Othala rune, which indicates an O sound in a Proto-Germanic language; the rune stands for estate, property and inheritance. But the Nazi party employed a variant of the rune with added serifs, or “feet” as the symbol of the SS Race and Settlement Office as well as a division of the Volksdeutsche, a movement of ethnic Germans who lived outside Germany and did not hold German citizenship. It is classified as a hate symbol and a neo-Nazi symbol by the ADL. This version with added feet, which was created by the Nazi party in the 1930s, was used for the CPAC stage.

The SS Race and Settlement Office included genetic scientists who were in charge of making sure SS officers and their wives remained “pure,” as well as reassigning formerly Jewish-owned land that the Nazis had seized. It was the office in charge of the heart of the Nazis’ racist philosophy, studying the supposedly superior Aryan traits and trying to reproduce them in order to “Germanicize” sufficiently white Poles and Ukrainians by overseeing their marriages.

Matt Schlap, the CPAC chairman, called comparisons between the rune and the CPAC stage “outrageous and slanderous.”

But the rune is a unique shape, and one that is not obviously conducive to a conference stage, given that it has a large hollow space in the center — all speakers emerging from backstage needed to take a circuitous zigzagging route to the lectern, and the number of people the stage could hold was limited.

While the rune’s history may not have been known by all the organizers, it’s not an obscure historical relic; the Othala rune is still an active symbol. In more recent years, the rune has been used by the far right White Liberation Movement in South Africa and neo-Nazi groups in the U.S. and New Zealand. It is also still a part of pagan movements and used by those practicing Nordic religions, which often have a significant overlap with white supremacist movements.

Paganism, like the original Othala rune itself, is not inherently antisemitic, but is often tied to white supremacist movements. “The idea of a racialized culture belonging to whiteness is a key engine of the far right,” Talia Lavin writes in her book “Culture Warlords.” This is the same appeal as the runic symbol held for the Nazis Volksdeutsche, an idea of returning to the true and ultimate German people, and it still operates in today’s white nationalist movements. Some white supremacists, looking for a white history that is divorced entirely from Jewishness or any other minority, often end up in Nordic or pagan mythologies. “Jesus, after all, was a Jew,” Lavin writes. “This is perhaps the ultimate example of how difficult it is to transcend antisemitism; you can literally be Jesus Christ and it won’t be enough for some people.”

CPAC is not, at least overtly, full of pagans. Josh Mandel, an Ohio Republican running for election, thanked the organizers for being “Christian Zionists” in response to the stage scandal. But Christian Zionists do have a long history of antisemitism.

This year, CPAC was careful to keep overt antisemitism and white nationalism out of the conference, canceling Young Pharaoh as a speaker for his antisemitic remarks. But the increasing anti-minority and white supremacist tilt of Trump’s followers has been clear for a long time, even before the attack on the Capitol. But white supremacy doesn’t have to be explicit to still be there. If nothing else, it seems a fitting accident.
At the just-wrapped Conservative Political Action ... (show quote)

Wow. What a disgusting $hitpost. Talk about full blown conspiracy whack jobs. Do you even bother mixing water with your KoolAid or do you just eat it raw?

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Mar 2, 2021 19:25:21   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
mwalsh wrote:
Like you, Foto is just a caricature!

Why are you trying to talk to him?

You guys are both unwavering to new facts.


Try giving me a new fact.
I'll wait. I know you're a little slow.

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Mar 3, 2021 01:45:01   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
That's funny. I hope you live long enough to see who brings this country to socialism and finally communism. I pray that you live long enough.


We just did.
We voted him out.
Be vigilant.

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Mar 6, 2021 21:12:53   #
Scruffy Loc: North Ridgeville
 
dpullum wrote:
SB, you forgot to add, "electrical grid systems functioning"

People find it to much more fun to argue from a position of flexible-ignorance rather than understanding the details of the subject at hand. Drbobcameraguy is an example of perhaps, probably, for sure, does not know the meaning of the " socialism and finally communism" he is spouting off about.

People jump on social programs as being the extreme socialism. Those who protest, would protest very loudly if their so-called "socialistic" advantages were cut off. The Good Socialism is where the people work together to finance the common good. Republican President D. Eisenhower's interstate road system is an example; financed by tax money. Bad Socialism is tax breaks and money giveaways to petrochemical [oil] companies that make billions.

Drbobcameraguy and others of that ilk should educate themselves.

Socialism: "allocate resources using central planning, as in a command economy. Examples of greater social needs include transportation, defense, education, health care, and preservation of natural resources. Some also define the common good as caring for those who can't directly contribute to production. Examples include the elderly, children, and their caretakers."
https://www.thebalance.com/socialism-types-pros-cons-examples-3305592

Communism is confused with Stalinist era government. If people are going to be against something they should understand what it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

Oh! let us not forget the USA form of government:
https://www.aei.org/articles/democracy-or-republic/
SB, you forgot to add, "electrical grid syste... (show quote)


IMOH, I thought your response and brief citing was top-notch responsible commentary, without the always tempting notion to degrade the discussion to the "low-ball", snarky, "I'll pray for you" type of seemingly sarcastic offering by DrBobtheCameraGuy. Nice to hear some thoughtful people survived the "Drain The Swamp" years. "Here's looking at ya" neighbor! Apologize for being late to the discussion.

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