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Mar 3, 2021 15:03:53   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
One reason why I liked film cameras.
They all produced the same quality photo.
Ex; I had a minolta 7000 and moved up to a pro 9 minolta to have better quality photos. Same lens, same film.
There was no difference in picture quality.

Digital is a mixed up bunch of sensors, and processors. Which one is better?

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Mar 3, 2021 15:05:11   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
kenArchi wrote:
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Digital is a mixed up bunch of sensors, and processors. Which one is better?



Those seeking total perfection will never find it.

Hmmm, what if there is something better out there?

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Mar 3, 2021 15:10:07   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
taxslave wrote:
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spotmatic II and a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4. I took thousands of photos with this rig along with a Pentax 35mm wide angle and a Lentar Zoom lens. I went digital 15 years ago buying a Canon XT 8 megapixel body and some kind of zoom lens that I do not remember. Currently I have a Canon 90d with a 24-105L. I also have a couple other lenses to fill in the focal lengths before and after that lens.

Digital photography is great - instant viewing of the image to show composition, sharpness, exposure and DOF. But the thing I love most about digital photography is the ability to reset ISO on the go. In the old film days a roll of film had a given ISO (ASA in those days) and you could not change it until the roll of film was complete. And of course the film types of different ISO’s were limited - 25, 64, 100, 125 speeds were common. TriX which was B&W was 400. These limited ISO’s are the reason most cameras came with a prime lens with a large aperture, f1.4 -2.0 were very common. You could push some films to 1000 if you needed to but then you experienced lots of noise. Today you can set the ISO as high as 3000-4000 without a significant amount of noise. I’ve heard of some people using ISO 10,000 and lowering noise in post. What did we do in the old days when we had 3 exposures left on the roll and the sun was fading? We did not get the shot.

I understand 35mm film photography is making a comeback. I don’t understand that. I will never go back. How about you?
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spo... (show quote)



I still have a couple of fun cameras and was thinking too shoot a couple of rolls for play.

You could, and I did, Change out a roll of film before finished. I would do it in the dark. Not where I was on the roll, and when I reloaded it would waste one or two after reloading.

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Mar 3, 2021 15:28:41   #
miteehigh Loc: Arizona
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2021 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


It appears you are not very knowledgeable on the present serious photography scene. In fact many serious art photographers are producing fine work with film large format cameras. They are producing work using wet plate colloiden, platinum/palladium. Carbon and several other processes. They do not engage in machine gun photography and they sell their work for more than the typical digital photographer has invested in their bird lens.

I still use large format film. I also use digital and I try to stay informed.

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Mar 3, 2021 15:56:29   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Scruples wrote:
Film is making a comeback for many reasons. The best overall experience I remember is loading in a roll and snapping away not knowing what was going to be the result. It was the expectation that you thought you were a good photographer. A week later, you had one photo out of 36 that were worth showing around. But you were learning. I love my Canon 5D Mark IV so don’t get me wrong. The shots that I don’t like, just disappear with the press of a little button.
My wife picked up a Canon 1v-HS and I love it. Some days, I am out with digital and other days I’m out with film. Some days I will carry both. My back starts complaining.
I remember the TriX and the TMax and the Portra and the Ilford. I miss the BW400CN and the Siena tones. I have bought one expired roll and pushed back the ASA.

My suggestion to those crusty old coots like myself is this. Use what you love and don’t worry what other people think or say about you. What the others thought of you, you don’t know. What the others said about you weren’t heard. Photograph for yourself and those who appreciate your talents.

PS, I wish Kodak would bring back the BW400CN.

From: Scruples, one of the few hipsters still from Brooklyn.
Film is making a comeback for many reasons. The b... (show quote)


And you are not idle, but are rich, but in a currency that is not measured by coin.

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Mar 3, 2021 16:07:28   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
miteehigh wrote:
It appears you are not very knowledgeable on the present serious photography scene. In fact many serious art photographers are producing fine work with film large format cameras. They are producing work using wet plate colloiden, platinum/palladium. Carbon and several other processes. They do not engage in machine gun photography and they sell their work for more than the typical digital photographer has invested in their bird lens.

I still use large format film. I also use digital and I try to stay informed.
It appears you are not very knowledgeable on the p... (show quote)

It appears many people do not recognize humor when they hear or see it.
They simply jump to the defense.

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Mar 3, 2021 16:09:47   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
Good one Longshadow.

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Mar 3, 2021 16:11:12   #
Thorburn Loc: Virginia
 
I was once told that it is not the camera that makes the image or picture but the person behind it; weather it is a Kodak Brownie film camera of an Olympus Digital camera.

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Mar 3, 2021 16:24:45   #
Riverrune
 
I started shooting with an old 1947 Lieca range finder camera that my father gave me in 1972. It took wonderful slide pictures with the 50mm Lietz lens (which is worth more than the camera on eBay...). I had to use a hand held light meter and make educated guesses for proper exposure. Once the shutter was opened and closed that was that, no turning back or post processing, and with only 36 exposures per roll on a college budget the number of shots was pretty limited. It did instill discipline and an understanding of the essential triad of ISO (ASA), shutter speed and aperture. I picked up newer folm cameras in the early 90's and worked with them until well into the early 2000's when I bought my first digital camera, a Nikon D7000. That camera changed the whole game for me. I now shoot with a D850 and Z6. The Lieca? I still have it and keep it as the museum piece that it is. But I do appreciate the discapline and understanding of composition and light that the film experience gave me. I won't go back film though.

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Mar 3, 2021 16:35:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Thorburn wrote:
I was once told that it is not the camera that makes the image or picture but the person behind it; weather it is a Kodak Brownie film camera of an Olympus Digital camera.



A $5,000 camera will not make a better photographer,
it might make the process of taking the pictures much easier/more efficient though.

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Mar 3, 2021 16:41:20   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
bradkg wrote:
Completely agree with this. To be fair you need to take this comment a step further. If you learned on a digital telephone appliance to take photos, you know nothing about aperture, depth of field, f stop, etc. Not many people learn the basics of photography and thus the reason for a hurting camera industry and the lack of interest in buying, carrying multi pound equipment. On the flip side, look at how many non photographers capture memories that they would never have gotten and think of the thousands of photos taken that would have been lost. I guess not everything photo wise is done for the art that many love but rather for the recording which is a valid flip side to all of this.
Completely agree with this. To be fair you need t... (show quote)


You are correct, except I would add that while many many more digital images are made today a much higher percentage of these images remain on sd cards, other storage devises, or in the digital cloud world. Film got shot, processed and images printed. Many of these images exist and will remain existing for individuals, families and others to have and enjoy. They also serve as historical documents to inform us about the era in which they were made. I collect photographs made by photographers working in my home of St Joseph, Mo. I have often found images in thrift stores, antique stores and estate auctions that are well over a hundred years old. I do not expect to be able to do that in the future. Sad to say, but too much of what is being recorded these days will never be printed and will fade into oblivion.

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Mar 3, 2021 17:06:38   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
taxslave wrote:
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spotmatic II and a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4. I took thousands of photos with this rig along with a Pentax 35mm wide angle and a Lentar Zoom lens. I went digital 15 years ago buying a Canon XT 8 megapixel body and some kind of zoom lens that I do not remember. Currently I have a Canon 90d with a 24-105L. I also have a couple other lenses to fill in the focal lengths before and after that lens.

Digital photography is great - instant viewing of the image to show composition, sharpness, exposure and DOF. But the thing I love most about digital photography is the ability to reset ISO on the go. In the old film days a roll of film had a given ISO (ASA in those days) and you could not change it until the roll of film was complete. And of course the film types of different ISO’s were limited - 25, 64, 100, 125 speeds were common. TriX which was B&W was 400. These limited ISO’s are the reason most cameras came with a prime lens with a large aperture, f1.4 -2.0 were very common. You could push some films to 1000 if you needed to but then you experienced lots of noise. Today you can set the ISO as high as 3000-4000 without a significant amount of noise. I’ve heard of some people using ISO 10,000 and lowering noise in post. What did we do in the old days when we had 3 exposures left on the roll and the sun was fading? We did not get the shot.

I understand 35mm film photography is making a comeback. I don’t understand that. I will never go back. How about you?
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spo... (show quote)


Having helped a large portrait lab transition from film to digital imaging from 1999 through 2005, I have to say I won't go back to film, either. I don't have anything against film, per se. It is the workflow I detest. I did most of my black-and-white and slide film personal processing myself for years, starting in 1968 and ending in 2005, and what was cool for a 14-year old was tedium to a 50-year old.

The film market is largely supported by artists and art schools and regular schools who can't afford computers, software, digital hardware, or (in some cases) instructors who understand technology. Students can learn advanced camera work much less expensively if they don't have to have an advanced dSLR or MILC, a computer, and a suite of software. Other users of film are fans of large format, which still has a monopoly on the laws of physics that work with big negatives and transparencies.

Inevitably, this thread will hit 20 pages and spark some pretty heated arguments, as hundreds of such threads have, before it.

Film vs. Digital
Mac vs. PC
Canon vs. Nikon vs. Sony vs...
Ford vs. Chevy
Lexus vs. Mercedes
Religion
Politics
Economic theory
Vices
GAAAAAA...!!

If you like contention, stick around!

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Mar 3, 2021 17:07:23   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
RodeoMan wrote:
You are correct, except I would add that while many many more digital images are made today a much higher percentage of these images remain on sd cards, other storage devises, or in the digital cloud world. Film got shot, processed and images printed. Many of these images exist and will remain existing for individuals, families and others to have and enjoy. They also serve as historical documents to inform us about the era in which they were made. I collect photographs made by photographers working in my home of St Joseph, Mo. I have often found images in thrift stores, antique stores and estate auctions that are well over a hundred years old. I do not expect to be able to do that in the future. Sad to say, but too much of what is being recorded these days will never be printed and will fade into oblivion.
You are correct, except I would add that while man... (show quote)


On the other hand digital images are often seen by exponentially more people than most printed images. Even most images that are printed now started as digital. And while you may have photos that are 100 years old, most of them are seriously degraded. 100 years from now you could print a digital image and it’ll look exactly like it does today.

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Mar 3, 2021 17:10:22   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
On the other hand digital images are often seen by exponentially more people than most printed images. Even most images that are printed now started as digital. And while you may have photos that are 100 years old, most of them are seriously degraded. 100 years from now you could print a digital image and it’ll look exactly like it does today.


...assuming you have it on media that are compatible with some future computer...

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Mar 3, 2021 17:14:29   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
miteehigh wrote:
It appears you are not very knowledgeable on the present serious photography scene. In fact many serious art photographers are producing fine work with film large format cameras. They are producing work using wet plate colloiden, platinum/palladium. Carbon and several other processes. They do not engage in machine gun photography and they sell their work for more than the typical digital photographer has invested in their bird lens.

I still use large format film. I also use digital and I try to stay informed.
It appears you are not very knowledgeable on the p... (show quote)



You don't know Paul, do you?

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