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Jan 29, 2021 13:34:46   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Lawyers are allowed during the Senate Trial, they're not allowed during an Impeachment Process.

Think of the Impeachment process as the investigation, Grand Jury, and arraignment in a criminal case. Lawyers are not allowed during the investigation or Grand Jury phase in a criminal case. The presentation of the case in the Senate Trial is the equivalant to the Araignment in a criminal case.

You lost your argument during the first trump Impeachment and Trial, why are you trying to make the same argument again for trump's second Impeachment and Trial?
Lawyers are allowed during the Senate Trial, they'... (show quote)


During the during the first Trump Impeachment the precedent was to present the president's side in House hearings. Remember that? What about that? Didn't you lose your argument after that?

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Jan 29, 2021 13:36:48   #
Rose42
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The clock has long run out on trying to Impeach Former President Barack Obama.

The option ended at noon on January 20, 2017!


Everyone knows that already.

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Jan 29, 2021 13:43:25   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Obama would have had to be IMPEACHED during his Term in Office.

That never happened.

Obama CAN'T be impeached after he's left office.

trump was Impeached while he was still in office, which is why the Senate Trial will go forward, no matter how hard the trump CULT tries to claim that it can't happen.


Are you reading the Constitution now? You can't just use it when it is convenient for you. Wake up man. Pelosi and the Dems have told us the Constitution doesn't apply with respect to impeachment. Where in the Constitution does it say a president can be tried for impeachment as a private citizen? It doesn't but he is. The majority in the House writes the rules now.

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Jan 29, 2021 13:48:51   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Rose42 wrote:
Should Obama be impeached? No. Whats the point? Last thing we need right now is another circus wasting our money and the time for that is past.


The point is to fight fire with fire. Why should the Repubs play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules and lose to the lawless "Kick them when they are down" Dems all the time? The Repubs have to adopt the same tactics as them and aim to destroy the Dem party.

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Jan 29, 2021 13:54:14   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
There are recordings of the Capitol Rioters changing "Hang Mike Pence" all over the internet.

What rock have you been living under?


All over the internet? I hadn't heard them. Are they all over the internet and the news and TV like crowds going down the streets carrying banners saying "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon"? If not, maybe they were a few disgruntled people, Antifa, or BLM idiots.

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Jan 29, 2021 14:07:57   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
Obama also interfered in the Israeli elections, an illegal act.

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Jan 29, 2021 14:22:15   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Are you reading the Constitution now? You can't just use it when it is convenient for you. Wake up man. Pelosi and the Dems have told us the Constitution doesn't apply with respect to impeachment. Where in the Constitution does it say a president can be tried for impeachment as a private citizen? It doesn't but he is. The majority in the House writes the rules now.

If an elected official is Impeached before they leave office, their trial can occur after they leave office.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/War_Secretarys_Impeachment_Trial.htm

Educate yourself!

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Jan 29, 2021 14:31:24   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
All over the internet? I hadn't heard them. Are they all over the internet and the news and TV like crowds going down the streets carrying banners saying "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon"? If not, maybe they were a few disgruntled people, Antifa, or BLM idiots.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/09/rioters-wanted-hurt-nancy-pelosi-hang-mike-pence-capitol/

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/us-capitol-riot-mob-wanted-to-kill-mike-pence-run-pelosi-over-with-a-car/news-story/ab3277f484a9d04c162dc1c985aa4edc

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/chris-hayes-capitol-riots-new-footage-1112195/

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-intended-kill-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-fbi-witness-says-1562062

These are some of the videos available for your watching pleasure.

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Jan 29, 2021 15:12:19   #
dsturr
 
Texcaster wrote:
Was Obama even born in the USA?


If that is a requirement, then Cruz is out of luck; he was Born in Calgary. And McCain was born in what was then The Canal Zone.

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Jan 29, 2021 15:27:21   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 


How do you know for sure those are Trump supporters? Most have masks, body armor and are dressed in black. Anita agitator garb. True Trump supporters don't dress that way. And a threat from the Proud Boys? They are not true Trump supporters, they don't speak for Trump supporters, and they don't represent Trump supporters.

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Jan 29, 2021 15:34:18   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
If an elected official is Impeached before they leave office, their trial can occur after they leave office.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/War_Secretarys_Impeachment_Trial.htm

Educate yourself!


Not a valid precedent. The definition of precedent is a decision that is the basis or reason for future decisions in similar cases. Do we have a Secretary of War? Is the Secretary of War mentioned in the Constitution the way the president is and has similar powers? No, no, and no. Not even remotely a valid precedent. Ask Alan Dershowitz.

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Jan 29, 2021 16:48:19   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
How do you know for sure those are Trump supporters? Most have masks, body armor and are dressed in black. Anita agitator garb. True Trump supporters don't dress that way. And a threat from the Proud Boys? They are not true Trump supporters, they don't speak for Trump supporters, and they don't represent Trump supporters.

It doesn't matter who they were, they were after Pence.

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Jan 29, 2021 16:50:17   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Not a valid precedent. The definition of precedent is a decision that is the basis or reason for future decisions in similar cases. Do we have a Secretary of War? Is the Secretary of War mentioned in the Constitution the way the president is and has similar powers? No, no, and no. Not even remotely a valid precedent. Ask Alan Dershowitz.

Alan Derschowitz is NOT defending trump.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/15/metro/alan-dershowitz-wont-defend-trump-senate-says-impeachment-trial-is-improper/
Your excuse is Not a valid prededent for rejecting the 1876 precedent!

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Jan 29, 2021 18:15:22   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
flip1948 wrote:
There are quite a few articles online regarding due process and impeachment stemming from Trump's legal team trying that argument in his first impeachment. The gist of every single one of those articles is that due process does not apply to impeachment which is a political process, not a judicial process.

From one of those articles by the Bulwark (I don't know what their political leanings are I just chose this snippet because it explains it clearly): "Due process protects regular people from an overbearing, arbitrary hand of government that attempts to deprive individuals of “life, liberty, or property” without notice and an opportunity to be heard first. The Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause (the one that binds the federal government) is not intended to protect officeholders—such as the individual who heads the entire federal criminal and military apparatus—from political investigation or a House impeachment trial."

Google "due process impeachment" yourself and be prepared for a significant amount of reading of opinions from those who know what they are talking about.
There are quite a few articles online regarding du... (show quote)

OMG. You beyond wrong. Impeachment IS NOT a political process.
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Jan 29, 2021 18:18:34   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
John_F wrote:
Go read the Constitution. I am not your servant.

Then you must not know. I was curious as to what you think was done that applies currently.

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