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Jan 22, 2021 12:52:38   #
fotobyferg
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Putting them in the dropbox is the best way to forward the images onto the downstream resources in an unaltered format. But, the files may already be unexpectedly altered when you receive them. Some probing questions and follow-up on 'too small to print' should help to uncover what to inspect in the files as you receive them and to communicate actionable feedback back to the original photographers.

Our community member Moondoggie discovered in this thread the impact of how the images are transferred from a 24MP camera https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-682054-1.html . The method discussed in this linked thread using iPhone and bluetooth would effect the image pixels to fail the minimum requirements of your 4x7 image as discussed above. Similar issues may be involved in your contacts.
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Thanks Chuck (?).....I think part of my problem is that I am tired of inspecting every image that gets sent to me and then pulling the correct response/image back from the person who submitted when they have (yet again) sent a Facebook image or something captured off a webpage. I was hoping to educate the senders on *their* end, versus having to be the photo inspector on *my* end. Maybe that's too much to ask, and I should simply accept the fact that not every picture submitted will be eligible for print. I am trying to keep the membership happy, as well as willing to continue to send images even if they do not make their way into the magazine.

No good deed goes unpunished. C'est la vie.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:00:17   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
As I was instructed by my first publisher - Shot in Raw and submit them to the Art Director who will make any edits and decide what to print.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:05:40   #
fotobyferg
 
BlackRipleyDog wrote:
As I was instructed by my first publisher - Shot in Raw and submit them to the Art Director who will make any edits and decide what to print.


Yes....but remember, these are people who are not necessarily proficient in photography. They are recreational carriage drivers snapping images of their day trips and sharing on social media.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:11:44   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
fotobyferg wrote:
Can someone please supply me with a chart, link or document that explains *in layman’s terms* the photo size/quality necessary for printing in a magazine?
On average, images from 1x3 to 4x7 might be printed by the Editor.

I am Recreational Driving Chair for a carriage organization and write a regular column that includes photos. People constantly submit images that do not meet print requirements.

I have searched online but have not been able to find a suitable “this makes that” explanation for the photography challenged. Remember, some of the readers who I will be providing this information to will be clueless regarding this criteria.

Heck, I struggle with it myself sometimes!

TIA
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Simple - just ask the publication what they need. The newspaper industry generally recommends 150 to 300 ppi- they use an 85 lpi screen on graphics - so an image resolution of 170 ppi is ideal. Average (whatever that means) magazines use a finer screen, often 150 lpi - so an image file up to 195 to 300 ppi is ideal. High end magazines may require higher ppi. A rule of thumb is 1.3 to 2 times the lpi of their screen is what your ppi needs to be.

That is why I recommend you contact the publication to find out their exact recommendation.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:13:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
fotobyferg wrote:
Yes....but remember, these are people who are not necessarily proficient in photography. They are recreational carriage drivers snapping images of their day trips and sharing on social media.


Just develop some boiler plate about requesting uncropped edits (or originals) for publication, possibly needing to set-up a dropbox / similar to receive these images. If they're capturing from phones, give some examples of the pixel resolution needed and how the image needs to be added to the dropbox to retain the original size rather than being emailed.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:19:31   #
fotobyferg
 
Gene51 wrote:
Simple - just ask the publication what they need. The newspaper industry generally recommends 150 to 300 ppi- they use an 85 lpi screen on graphics - so an image resolution of 170 ppi is ideal. Average (whatever that means) magazines use a finer screen, often 150 lpi - so an image file up to 195 to 300 ppi is ideal. High end magazines may require higher ppi. A rule of thumb is 1.3 to 2 times the lpi of their screen is what your ppi needs to be.

That is why I recommend you contact the publication to find out their exact recommendation.
Simple - just ask the publication what they need. ... (show quote)


Thank you. The problem is that people do not always send me what the publication needs (despite my having explained it in the past), and I am tiring of the constant one on one discussion with them to try and make them understand. It is frustrating.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:20:15   #
fotobyferg
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Just develop some boiler plate about requesting uncropped edits (or originals) for publication, possibly needing to set-up a dropbox / similar to receive these images. If they're capturing from phones, give some examples of the pixel resolution needed and how the image needs to be added to the dropbox to retain the original size rather than being emailed.


That's what I was hoping I could find here, lol. But yes, I will roll out yet another reminder to them.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:25:11   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
fotobyferg wrote:
That's what I was hoping I could find here, lol. But yes, I will roll out yet another reminder to them.


Figure the max and / or typical printed size. Calculate the 300 ppi value for that size. Write your boiler plate around that 'minimum' pixel resolution for submissions. Leave the option to just send originals, uncropped, if the photographer is unsure how to determine the pixel resolution. Set-up a transfer mechanism that takes the possible negative (automated) resizing out of the picture. This might be harder if you're accepting submissions from a random public, but doable.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:26:44   #
fotobyferg
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Figure the max and / or typical printed size. Calculate the 300 ppi value for that size. Write your boiler plate around that 'minimum' pixel resolution for submissions. Leave the option to just send originals, uncropped, if the photographer is unsure how to determine the pixel resolution. Set-up a transfer mechanism that takes the possible negative (automated) resizing out of the picture. This might be harder if you're accepting submissions from a random public, but doable.


Random public. Let me work on it and pull out a few more hairs.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:31:03   #
fotobyferg
 
Maybe something as simple as: "pictures taken and sent directly from cell phones, uncropped and unedited work best."

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of what gets sent to me comes from cellphones, with a side of Facebook or Instagram tossed in. Some even send screenshots. We're talking general public here...not photobugs.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:35:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
fotobyferg wrote:
Maybe something as simple as: "pictures taken and sent directly from cell phones, uncropped and unedited work best."

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of what gets sent to me comes from cellphones, with a side of Facebook or Instagram tossed in. Some even send screenshots. We're talking general public here...not photobugs.


It's a good start from which you can assess an improvement in the submissions.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:36:52   #
fotobyferg
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
It's a good start from which you can assess an improvement in the submissions.



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Jan 22, 2021 13:46:32   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
fotobyferg wrote:
My apologies, as I did not mean to imply she was using “weird ratios”....just that some of the photos I submit to her via the membership are not useable.

I am merely trying to send her more useable pictures by (hopefully) giving guidance to the people sending them to me.


I see. Well, if someone sends you a photo, and you view it and too small you'll see it right away. Simply ask that person to send and unaltered photo if it's one that you think makes the grade and if they do not have one, then toss it and move on to another photo.

You might also ask the people if the photo is theirs or not before you submit it for consideration. If it's not theirs, the publisher could get into copyright trouble. I would think that if a photo is too small, and the person submitting it can't produce an unaltered photo, then they may have downloaded it from the internet and it doesn't belong to them. I'd also ask them to sign a waiver if not already done so.

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Jan 22, 2021 13:52:39   #
fotobyferg
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I see. Well, if someone sends you a photo, and you view it and too small you'll see it right away. Simply ask that person to send and unaltered photo if it's one that you think makes the grade and if they do not have one, then toss it and move on to another photo.

You might also ask the people if the photo is theirs or not before you submit it for consideration. If it's not theirs, the publisher could get into copyright trouble. I would think that if a photo is too small, and the person submitting it can't produce an unaltered photo, then they may have downloaded it from the internet and it doesn't belong to them. I'd also ask them to sign a waiver if not already done so.
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We do give photo credit. Most of the time the person who sent the image is the one who took it, or another club member. The "pros" usually have a watermark or logo...along with their permission.

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Jan 23, 2021 09:50:16   #
Al Beatty Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Hi group,

You've already gotten some good information. My wife and I write for numerous outdoor magazines and spent 10 years as editors for one of those publications. Most magazines have lists of author guidelines that are available upon request or can be downloaded from their website. Therein you'll find their expectations regarding copy and photography. If you plan to submit a story/pictures without contacting the editor, be certain to double space the copy and submit 11" x 14" @ 300 PPI jpg files. By so doing, you may actually get the piece looked at but unsolicited "pieces" all too often get the "boot" in favor of manuscripts the magazine has negotiated the content in advance. Editors like the picture size (at least we did) because it gives them the option of using part of it cropped or as double-page background with text positioned as an overlay.This all gets decided when the content reaches the art director's workstation. The bottom line is it's a good idea to work with the editor so you both know what to expect. Take care & ...

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