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Jan 16, 2021 12:47:03   #
foodie65
 
DennyT wrote:
1. Lost the House
2. Lost the Senate
3. Lost the Presidentcy
4. Impeached twice



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Jan 16, 2021 13:51:57   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Yes I agree but none of them were president of the United States. A position that should show that you represent a countries standards and dignity therefore rise above childish name calling.


Somehow you are forgetting Barack Obama calling Conservatives, Flat Earthers, because we did not go along with his opinion. Not exactly Presidents, yet, but both Biden and Hillary Clinton called Conservatives names. Did you forget those people from your Left?

Dennis

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Jan 16, 2021 14:44:18   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
(1) You refer to evidence without stating any, to accept, to deny or to discuss.

(2) I happen to have read the rally speech the President gave to the assembled mass of supporters.

This is what the President told them at the D.C. rally before some of them stormed the Capitol building:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

(found at: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-stormed-capitol-hill/story?id=75110558)

(3)1. This citizen smells a double connivance when 60 courts dismiss the 60 lawsuits the President submitted, evidently without any hearing on the merits.

(3)2. In their stories, the news media workers uniformly describe the lawsuits as "baseless" or "unfounded" or with similar words, minus a Web-link to the subject lawsuit for a citizen to evaluate for himself. The apparent connivance stinks.

(4) The storming of the Capitol building by a mob doing harm to others while vandalizing property I categorically condemn.

(5) As to what people believe here, I detect the Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome. Under it, individuals cannot see or think straight about anything the President says or does, regardless of merit.
JohnFrim wrote:
The problem with proving or supporting such accusations is not that the evidence is not there; it is that the evidence is denied.

Take Trump's words of encouragement to the crowd around noon on 6 Jan. Those who say Trump "caused the insurrection" find plenty wrong with his statement, while his defenders see nothing there except suggestions to protest peacefully.

Take the stolen election: Trump's defenders keep asking for an investigation and court action to show fraud and cheating, because they will not accept that multiple recounts and investigations have provided no credible evidence of significant fraud worthy of 60 court cases to even be heard.

It goes even beyond interpretation of words. There are Trump supporters who believe that what happened at the Capitol on 6 Jan was actually justified, and perhaps not even sufficient. Everyone knows that windows were smashed and police officers were beaten; yet some think that was acceptable activity given what they hope to achieve in the end.

We have heard the phrase many times... "You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts." I think people often see the same facts, but they see them from different perspectives and they refuse to even consider them from the other side.
The problem with proving or supporting such accusa... (show quote)

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Jan 16, 2021 14:54:59   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
anotherview wrote:
(1) You refer to evidence without stating any, to accept, to deny or to discuss.

(2) I happen to have read the rally speech the President gave to the assembled mass of supporters.

This is what the President told them at the D.C. rally before some of them stormed the Capitol building:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

(found at: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-stormed-capitol-hill/story?id=75110558)

(3)1. This citizen smells a double connivance when 60 courts dismiss the 60 lawsuits the President submitted, evidently without any hearing on the merits.

(3)2. In their stories, the news media workers uniformly describe the lawsuits as "baseless" or "unfounded" or with similar words, minus a Web-link to the subject lawsuit for a citizen to evaluate for himself. The apparent connivance stinks.

(4) The storming of the Capitol building by a mob doing harm to others while vandalizing property I categorically condemn.

(5) As to what people believe here, I detect the Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome. Under it, individuals cannot see or think straight about anything the President says or does, regardless of merit.
(1) You refer to evidence without stating any, to ... (show quote)


With reference to your point (3)1. This citizen smells a double connivance when 60 courts dismiss the 60 lawsuits the President submitted, evidently without any hearing on the merits.
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Actually, there wasn't much evidence at all. Trump's legal team had several opportunities to present their "evidence"... it was just a fantasy to stoke his base.

The National Review is a well respected Right-bias publication. It is factual and reliable but tends to see things from a conservative point of view. That's fair, we have our left-bias reliable publications.

I choose to believe The National Review....what do you use as a source? Most Trump supporters use "team trump's" proclamations as their source - unquestioned.

You might find the following excerpt interesting. It is from an analysis of the ruling of U.S. District Judge Brett Ludwig in Wisconsin. The judge is a trump appointee. Remember. the analysis is contained in the National Review, a publication with a RIGHT bias and is a review of Judge Ludwig's experience with the team Trump legal team in his courtroom..
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"The "most telling aspect" of Judge Ludwig's ruling isn't that "the rejecting was done by a Trump-appointed judge" or "that it was done on the merits," Andrew McCarthy argues at National Review. It's when Ludwig notes that "on the morning of the hearing, the parties reached agreement on a stipulated set of facts," meaning "there was no actual disagreement between the Trump team and Wisconsin officials about the pertinent facts of the case."

In other words, "there was no there there," McCarthy writes. "Despite telling the country for weeks that this was the most rigged election in history, the campaign didn't think it was worth calling a single witness. Despite having the opportunity of a hearing before a Trump appointee who was willing to give the campaign ample opportunity to prove its case, the campaign said, 'Never mind.'" And "this is not the first time the campaign ducked an opportunity to prove its claims of a stolen election in court," he adds. In Wisconsin, as in Pennsylvania and Michigan, "every time a court offers him an opportunity to establish by proof what he is promoting by Twitter, Team Trump folds."

Sorry but this is from your own, well respected side.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/a-stunning-passage-from-the-latest-court-rejection-of-team-trump/

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Jan 16, 2021 15:15:05   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Somehow you are forgetting Barack Obama calling Conservatives, Flat Earthers, because we did not go along with his opinion. Not exactly Presidents, yet, but both Biden and Hillary Clinton called Conservatives names. Did you forget those people from your Left?

Dennis

Obama's comments were not directed at individuals Dennis unlike Mr Trump's. And why do you keep associating me with the left. I just despise Trump.

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Jan 16, 2021 15:18:24   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Obama's comments were not directed at individuals Dennis unlike Mr Trump's. And why do you keep associating me with the left. I just despise Trump.


Well my friend, when you sound like a Left Winger and walk like a Left Winger then don't be surprised when people mistake you for a Left Winger. Simple as that.

No, Obama's insults were directed at millions of Conservatives. It is better that Trump concentrated on individuals rather than millions of people in my estimation. Think about it.

Dennis

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Jan 16, 2021 15:39:27   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
letmedance wrote:
How does there quit something?


There used to be soda fountains in drug stores. There currently are not soda fountains in drug stores. So, it seems that at some point in time there quit being soda fountains in drug stores. If my grammar is incorrect, and you believe you know how to correct it, feel free. What could it hurt?

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Jan 16, 2021 16:08:51   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
anotherview wrote:
Reformed the VA, the better to serve military veterans.
Instilled "America First" as a shorthand for nationalism, meaning to put the interests of the nation and its citizens first over the interests of foreigners.
Rode the strongest economy in memory.
Set in motion a quick pace to devise a vaccine to combat a pandemic.
Kept the nation out of any new war.


These things, are true, with the possible exception of his reaction to Covid 19. His legacy reminds me of something an old friend once said to me. For nearly 30 years, he worked as a salesman on commision for various consumer electronics and appliance stores. Depending on how much he sold, and how expensive the items were, his weekly salary ranged from less than $300.00 to over $2000.00 He was fond of saying that in that business, you were only as good as your last sale. In similar fashion, I remembered a cruise I took on the Norwegian Jewel. For the first 8 days, the food was mediocre; about what one would expect from a typical diner. On the last two nights, it was like a slightly off day at a fine restaurant. Obviously the cruise line management was hoping that the guests would remember those last two nights. And such is the legacy of Donald Trump. He served us a good portion of America First for most of his administration; only to spoil it with a massive dose of heartburn and heartaches in his last days

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Jan 16, 2021 17:10:58   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Well my friend, when you sound like a Left Winger and walk like a Left Winger then don't be surprised when people mistake you for a Left Winger. Simple as that.

No, Obama's insults were directed at millions of Conservatives. It is better that Trump concentrated on individuals rather than millions of people in my estimation. Think about it.

Dennis

I have thought about it so if you think insulting individuals when in a position of power is good then that shows a fault in your thought processes, unless of course you condone bullying.

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Jan 16, 2021 17:20:12   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Obama's comments were not directed at individuals Dennis unlike Mr Trump's. And why do you keep associating me with the left. I just despise Trump.


“ they “ just can not accept there are a lot of us that recognize trump for what he is(was) - a lying conman - but are not liberal.

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Jan 17, 2021 09:41:52   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
thom w wrote:
There used to be soda fountains in drug stores. There currently are not soda fountains in drug stores. So, it seems that at some point in time there quit being soda fountains in drug stores. If my grammar is incorrect, and you believe you know how to correct it, feel free. What could it hurt?


Let me try to be of some help here princess. Yes I know you will think I have ulterior motives but I assure you I do not. You are looking silly and I hate to see that happen. No REALLY.

The problem seems to be that you are telling us the soda fountains quit being in drug stores. As you might know, soda fountains are an inanimate object. Soda fountains don't do anything except exist at the whim of the human beings who build/create them. Your posting seems to say it was the decision of the soda fountain, itself, that decided to not be in a drug store any longer. Think about it for a second, OK maybe 20 minutes for you, and you will see that wording is pretty much impossible. It was the decision of some human that soda fountains are no longer seen in drug stores.

I hope I have been of some help here. No no, don't thank me now. Save that for when you really need it. You might apologize though to other members unless you did all of this as part of your comedy routine.

Dennis

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Jan 17, 2021 09:44:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
“ they “ just can not accept there are a lot of us that recognize trump for what he is(was) - a lying conman - but are not liberal.


So YOU are saying then that is is acceptable for Liberals to insult people but not those who support Trump because according to you Trump is a lying conman? Uh huh, we get it now. You subscribe to the old Left Wing version of hypocrisy then. Got it.

Dennis

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Jan 17, 2021 09:57:23   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
dennis2146 wrote:
So YOU are saying then that is is acceptable for Liberals to insult people but not those who support Trump because according to you Trump is a lying conman? Uh huh, we get it now. You subscribe to the old Left Wing version of hypocrisy then. Got it.

Dennis



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