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Jan 12, 2021 12:54:11   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Kraken wrote:
Seeing how stupid people can be is very frustrating and will bring out the nasty in a person.


You just really said that didn’t you?

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Jan 12, 2021 12:54:14   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
What is going on now proves the old saying " divide and conquer " , seems to be working. Our enemies are laughing their collective asses off.

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Jan 12, 2021 12:56:01   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
What is going on now proves the old saying " divide and conquer " , seems to be working. Our enemies are laughing their collective asses off.


Who’s your enemy?

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Jan 12, 2021 13:03:21   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
What is going on now proves the old saying " divide and conquer " , seems to be working. Our enemies are laughing their collective asses off.


There is a deep truth here. Sometimes seeing a larger enemy will make us stop and become unified in a way that we can be properly proud of. I had hopes that the Pandemic would serve in such a fashion, but even that has been politicized to the point that masks are argued about.

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Jan 12, 2021 14:49:49   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
idaholover wrote:
This is one of my favs,,,,

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)





Your answers lie here....

https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/

Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals…

Here is the complete list from Alinsky.



RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”

Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)



RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”

It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)



RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”

Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)



RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)



RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)



RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)



RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)



RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”

Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)



RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)



RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)



RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)



RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

What is REALLY interesting is that Saul Alinsky died in 1972, almost 50 years ago…

So, these political tactics are, at a minimum, fifty years old. They were designed to deal with a political situation in existence during the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s – a world totally different from today. Yet, many activist groups laud these tactics without realizing their in-appropriateness in the 2020 world.

What Alinsky, and his followers, failed to comprehend is that they created a whole generation of people who cannot see beyond screaming criticism and offer any modern day solutions to social problems beyond a social shift to the hungry and dreary world of socialism/communism – something they definitely do not actually want to happen.

The counter reaction to this situation has been the rise of the humongous populist movement that elected Donald Trump. This group doesn’t put up with Alinsky-like nonsense. They outnumber the Alinski-ites 100,000 to 1.
This is one of my favs,,,, br br b RULE 12: Pick... (show quote)



Yes they created trumps playbook

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Jan 12, 2021 14:52:38   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
mwalsh wrote:
Personally, I don't think Trump believes the massive fraud lie to be true. He was preaching the lie more than a year ago. Its just part of his marketing strategy to stir anger, dissatisfaction, and passion among his base.

And his strategy worked pretty well. I am sure that at least 25-30% of Americans sincerely believe his lie that millions of votes were fraudulent and that he won in a landslide. For them its not a lie...for trump it is and has been a lie since long before the election.
Personally, I don't think Trump believes the massi... (show quote)



Agree and most important to keep raking in the million and millions of dollars to “ fight the steal” even though 70 % goes straight the trump PAC with some to the RNC to be used how he wishes .

The consummate conman !!!

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Jan 12, 2021 14:54:00   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
idaholover wrote:
You apparently don't get it. Pure democracy is rule by mob. I don't condone that.

Four wolves and a lamb are sitting around a campfire discussing what's for dinner!


Do you get it yet? Sadly, probably not.


Only in you mind . In the great majority it is Rukr by majority.

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Jan 12, 2021 15:22:28   #
JV Loc: Illinois
 
So, let me get this correct. Obama lies on his book to get admitted to Harvard then trump calls him out on it and now its all Trumps fault? Am I correct on your position on the birther subject?

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Jan 12, 2021 15:30:43   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
DennyT wrote:
Agree and most important to keep raking in the million and millions of dollars to “ fight the steal” even though 70 % goes straight the trump PAC with some to the RNC to be used how he wishes .

The consummate conman !!!


He's a piker compared to Sleepy Joe Bite-Me and the Biden crime family. At least Trump made his money Outside of govt. instead of inside stealing from the people for 47 years.

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Jan 12, 2021 15:41:09   #
dsturr
 
idaholover wrote:
So you are all in on banning free speech!


"The First Amendment's constitutional right of free speech, which is applicable to state and local governments under the incorporation doctrine, prevents only government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses unless they are acting on behalf of the government."

But surely you already knew that. Didn't you?

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Jan 12, 2021 15:50:56   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
DennyT wrote:
Yes they created trumps playbook


This is too easy...not even fun anymore.
https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/04/hillary-clintons-1969-thesis-on-saul.html

https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-saul-alinsky-letters-155526953.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFAp5L8FVa7FM_ENCylpu3jtV8ivHiaa9Fw6lLyMgyhGnitYW4p4LKPBN09zKfJp9rzjwea3OTdJ2t7bXfQ6CKCanqPfgcfvcCu90pfvqFPoWlonbAvQaknrLktXtnlqs7ac5s2na1NjoVSU2hjy5KXX0L2rQdzi_bQ6zcMitT29


https://thenewamerican.com/published-letter-from-hillary-clinton-to-saul-alinsky-reveals-close-relationship/

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Jan 12, 2021 15:54:44   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dsturr wrote:
"The First Amendment's constitutional right of free speech, which is applicable to state and local governments under the incorporation doctrine, prevents only government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses unless they are acting on behalf of the government."

But surely you already knew that. Didn't you?


Of course we knew that but somehow democrats and even their media talking heads did not seem to know that during the NFL kneeling, so which is it comrade, or is it the rights are expansive for the left, however tightly restricted for the right.... the internet has become almost a public necessity and it is control by a few mega corps, it is time to address the monopoly exercised by these companies.

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Jan 12, 2021 16:12:39   #
dsturr
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Of course we knew that but somehow democrats and even their media talking heads did not seem to know that during the NFL kneeling, so which is it comrade, or is it the rights are expansive for the left, however tightly restricted for the right.... the internet has become almost a public necessity and it is control by a few mega corps, it is time to address the monopoly exercised by these companies.


Where did the "we" come from? And you're not a "comrade" of mine. Trump this week and LWW a while back.

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Jan 12, 2021 16:16:29   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Of course we knew that but somehow democrats and even their media talking heads did not seem to know that during the NFL kneeling, so which is it comrade, or is it the rights are expansive for the left, however tightly restricted for the right.... the internet has become almost a public necessity and it is control by a few mega corps, it is time to address the monopoly exercised by these companies.


NEVER happen now. They couldn't have planned it better. What with Covid and all....all the pieces fell into place while the feckless Republicans took us all for granted. Minimum of 70 years to turn this around gaurandamntee ya.

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Jan 12, 2021 16:18:02   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
DennyT wrote:
Only in you mind . In the great majority it is Rukr by majority.


Corrected typos

only in your mind- in the great majority is rule by majority.

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