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Jan 12, 2021 15:30:22   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
foodie65 wrote:
well, put it to use


I have lil feller. Get a grip and wake up lil my lil foodie65~

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Jan 12, 2021 15:34:18   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
hondo812 wrote:
why don't you show me the proof that it happened to all 26 or whatever the number is supposed to be? Isn't that where the burden of proof lies?

Curiously, in this country you are "presumed innocent" until proven guilty.


Business Insider has a lengthy article about the 26 women.
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

ABC News identifies w/photos 16 of the women alleging sexual misconduct
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410

A sitting president cannot be sued while in office so these women may soon be allowed to provide evidence of their allegations. Don't forget about trump actually bragging on camera to Billy Bush of his sexual misconduct.

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Jan 12, 2021 15:55:03   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
The EU did not start cutting deals with China leaving out the USA while Biden was POTUS.

Trump's watch solely.

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Jan 12, 2021 16:21:56   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
hondo812 wrote:
we should cut off all aid to the EU. Do a troop draw-down overseas, etc.


Take a look back in history. FDR faced a country that wanted isolation... that was Europe's war. Being isolationist again would make Europe weak and vulnerable to Russia. Europe would turn to China for trade alliances because we abandoned them. If we alienate our allies we are in very deep trouble. China would become more aggressive in the South China Sea, Iran would become more hostile in the Persian Gulf and towards Israel, and Russia would extort EU into doing their bidding once NORD Stream 2 is completed. Alone, we would face increasing aggression from those three countries. If forced to defend ourselves we would be forced into a nuclear confrontation much more easily because we aren't strong enough to take those 3 on by ourselves, not in a conventional land, sea, air war.

At least, that's how I see it. Biden has to repair the damage trump has done to us across the world. You better hope he succeeds.

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Jan 12, 2021 16:23:09   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
mwalsh wrote:
The EU did not start cutting deals with China leaving out the USA while Biden was POTUS.

Trump's watch solely.


U can’t unwind the deal, if China was your true sworn enemy why would u do it?
That’s why I say it’s hogwash.

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Jan 12, 2021 16:24:18   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
DukeTarHeel wrote:
That was me.... here's the post with a link to the story in which America is being criticized as being a bully under trump.

New EU and China treaty snubs the US
"After four years of the Trump administration, which characterized the EU as 'worse than China,' there is a growing anti-American sentiment" among EU leadership, says Fallon, "meaning 'we don't want to do what the U.S. says.' "

President Trump - thank you ever so much for putting the country in a bad position (and this is only one example of the damage he's caused,)


https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951400927/europe-and-china-approve-landmark-investment-treaty-snubbing-u-s
That was me.... here's the post with a link to the... (show quote)


Thanks

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Jan 12, 2021 16:28:08   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
soba1 wrote:
U can’t unwind the deal, if China was your true sworn enemy why would u do it?
That’s why I say it’s hogwash.


Why would I do what?

We are talking about some deal the EU made. And left us out of because trump irritated the Europeans so much.

What you or I or trump or Biden do to unwind that?

Come on dude!

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Jan 12, 2021 16:28:29   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
soba1 wrote:
U can’t unwind the deal, if China was your true sworn enemy why would u do it?
That’s why I say it’s hogwash.


What makes you think the EU perceives China as their sworn enemy? China is hoping to establish trade relations with the EU free of American interference. This last go around with 5G equipment from Hwawei, where we basically commanded EU not to implement 5G with Hwawei equipment. We said it supposedly has a backdoor for China's military spying group.... unproven but asserted by the US. We were pretty heavy-handed with the EU on that issue. It clearly pissed them off.

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Jan 12, 2021 17:48:32   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
mwalsh wrote:
Why would I do what?

We are talking about some deal the EU made. And left us out of because trump irritated the Europeans so much.

What you or I or trump or Biden do to unwind that?

Come on dude!


That's because Trump called them out for the skinflints they are with respect to the defense budget for each NATO country. We are basically subsidizing their healthcare to the tune of multiple Billions of dollars and that has got to stop.

Does Germany need 40,000 US troops over there? Or will 15,000 do?

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Jan 12, 2021 17:51:42   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
hondo812 wrote:
That's because Trump called them out for the skinflints they are with respect to the defense budget for each NATO country. We are basically subsidizing their healthcare to the tune of multiple Billions of dollars and that has got to stop.

Does Germany need 40,000 US troops over there? Or will 15,000 do?


I am likely in agreement with you on those issues...but what do they have to do with EU China deals?

I don't think trump alienated the EU leaders with his policy objectives on NATO and relying on our largesse.

I think he alienated our them by being such a petulant jackass in his delivery of the messages.

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Jan 13, 2021 16:14:40   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
mwalsh wrote:
I am likely in agreement with you on those issues...but what do they have to do with EU China deals?

I don't think trump alienated the EU leaders with his policy objectives on NATO and relying on our largesse.

I think he alienated our them by being such a petulant jackass in his delivery of the messages.


Well, he's not a polished speaker and he's not really a politician either. He's a CEO, a Boss if you will, and he's not really the "Pal Boss", or the "Coach Boss". He's more of a "Get this Sh!t done now or you're FIRED!" Boss.

I'm at a point in my life where I have no patience for the politicians "shine job" they keep delivering and I prefer someone like Truman who was fairly direct and to the point. I don't want a POTUS of many words. I want one with the right words, short and sweet. I don't want that folksy BS that Bush had with his "n'er-do-wells". The people he was talking about were goddamned evil mofos and he should have pretty much said that. And I don't want the Kings of spin in Clinton and Obama either.

Trump's last SOTU speech wasn't half bad. If he just could have skipped the whole "Oh and by the way" bullshittery that he likes to do, it would have been a fine speech. He's not capable of the JFK type of speeches rife with literary references or foreign languages, but who is these days? Biden? C'mon man!

I confess I am not up to speed on the EU and China. Who's bribing who?

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Jan 13, 2021 16:20:52   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
hondo812 wrote:


I confess I am not up to speed on the EU and China. Who's bribing who?


I am not either.

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Jan 13, 2021 16:25:22   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
soba1 wrote:
I’m getting everyone on the left riled up because of what I’m saying about Kamala.
It’s what I know you know and the whole world knows she slept her way to the top.
She screwed Willie Brown to get where she is.
If us on the right don’t respect her. Just think of how much respect she will get from the leaders in China and Russia.
Just how much respect do u think she will get from the leaders of the Mid East Arab nations with her past.
If you wanted a woman in office Hillary would have garnered more respect than her.
Yet America is proud to put a slut before the world as our leader.
I think the worst is yet to come
I’m getting everyone on the left riled up because ... (show quote)


I think Mr. Clinton became more popular with foreign leaders when his "bad behavior" became public.

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Jan 13, 2021 17:36:38   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
mwalsh wrote:
Why would I do what?

We are talking about some deal the EU made. And left us out of because trump irritated the Europeans so much.

What you or I or trump or Biden do to unwind that?

Come on dude!


Exactly

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Jan 13, 2021 17:37:57   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
In all honesty I would much rather Kamala at the helm than Biden as she is more coherent, and probably more shrewd.

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