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Jan 5, 2021 17:06:35   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
FrumCA wrote:
All I'm saying is the evidence was not brought to trial because the lawsuits had technical issues that caused them to be dismissed. I don't know if the lawyers were stupid or not.


Excuse me, but that is absurd. You are suggesting that the work of winning back a stolen election was not important enough to prepare the cases properly.
I don’t think you even believe that.

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Jan 5, 2021 17:06:41   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Kraken wrote:
The lawyers knew it was a lost cause from the get-go but

they get paid regardless of the outcome, EASY MONEY.


Absolutely correct. It was nothing more than a dog and pony show to please Trump.

As an alternative -- if I have to give Trump some "smarts credits" -- I would not be surprised to find that he knew all along that the cases were bogus, but HE was in cahoots with his lawyers playing his dumb base like an orchestra of fiddles.

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Jan 5, 2021 17:09:09   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Absolutely correct. It was nothing more than a dog and pony show to please Trump.

As an alternative -- if I have to give Trump some "smarts credits" -- I would not be surprised to find that he knew all along that the cases were bogus, but HE was in cahoots with his lawyers playing his dumb base like an orchestra of fiddles.


Trump raised lots of money, kept the narrative running, and got lots of media attention.
That was the intent.

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Jan 5, 2021 17:16:35   #
FrumCA
 
pfrancke wrote:
the fact that nothing was there is a pretty technical issue all right. Perhaps you are right after all.

"The truth does not cease to exist when it is ignored."

I believe my eyes and other confirmed reports. You can stick your head in the sand if you are so inclined. It's your choice.

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Jan 5, 2021 17:16:40   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Trump raised lots of money, kept the narrative running, and got lots of media attention.
That was the intent.


his intent was also to inflame his rabid supporters - and who knows what That might cause. Trump is what we call All In.

But yeah, I don't discount his desire to make money from this. Perhaps he can create a Spam Email farm and GoFundMe account somewhere in Scotland.

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Jan 5, 2021 17:18:31   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
FrumCA wrote:
I believe my eyes and other confirmed reports. You can stick your head in the sand if you are so inclined. It's your choice.


your eyes? Tell us what You have seen? Yes, it has been confirmed there there were reports (all, one-by-one, debunked).

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Jan 5, 2021 17:19:32   #
FrumCA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Excuse me, but that is absurd. You are suggesting that the work of winning back a stolen election was not important enough to prepare the cases properly.
I don’t think you even believe that.

I don't know what the technical issues were so I can't comment with any authority on them. Technical issues is what was being reported.

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Jan 5, 2021 17:20:51   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
FrumCA wrote:
I don't know what the technical issues were so I can't comment with any authority on them. Technical issues is what was being reported.


Yeah... You Know... the technical issue that were reported that he saw With His Own Eyes!!!!!

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Jan 5, 2021 17:57:39   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Fotoartist wrote:
#1 They didn't have an election Stolen from them.

#2 Where do you get the claim that the Election lawsuits are meritless? I haven't see any of the lawsuits tried on the merits.

#3 The Congress will be discussing the merits of the case on Wednesday. Don't forget to watch so you can learn something.

Go Pence!


"Congress will meet around 1 p.m. Eastern time in a joint session, with Pence presiding. We will have live coverage at The Washington Post, starting at 12 p.m.
Clerks will hand him the envelopes of states’ electoral college results in alphabetical order. He will read them aloud. Congress will vote on each one.
When they get to Arizona, Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.) and a number of other Republican senators, as well as Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), will object. They are supposed to object in writing and hand it to Pence to read. But these lawmakers will probably try to make speeches, too.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) or other top House Democrats may respond.
Then the House and the Senate split up and can debate each challenge for up to two hours. Leaders in both chambers want to quash these quickly. They will hold a vote on whether to accept the challenge. It will fail in each chamber. (Here’s more about the different scenarios, which all lead to the confirmation of Biden’s win.)
Lawmakers will rejoin in a joint session and keep going down the list of states. We expect Republicans to challenge all or most of the swing states that Trump lost, from Arizona to Wisconsin and on down to Georgia.
This could stretch well into the overnight hours or even through the day Thursday. By the end, Pence will have to declare that Biden has won the electoral college and will be the next president. (Even though Trump has started pressuring Pence not to do so.)
All that’s left after this is to inaugurate Biden on Jan. 20. But the rift in the Republican Party created by this day will remain long afterward."

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Jan 5, 2021 18:40:34   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Congress will meet around 1 p.m. Eastern time in a joint session, with Pence presiding. We will have live coverage at The Washington Post, starting at 12 p.m.
Clerks will hand him the envelopes of states’ electoral college results in alphabetical order. He will read them aloud. Congress will vote on each one.
When they get to Arizona, Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.) and a number of other Republican senators, as well as Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), will object. They are supposed to object in writing and hand it to Pence to read. But these lawmakers will probably try to make speeches, too.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) or other top House Democrats may respond.
Then the House and the Senate split up and can debate each challenge for up to two hours. Leaders in both chambers want to quash these quickly. They will hold a vote on whether to accept the challenge. It will fail in each chamber. (Here’s more about the different scenarios, which all lead to the confirmation of Biden’s win.)
Lawmakers will rejoin in a joint session and keep going down the list of states. We expect Republicans to challenge all or most of the swing states that Trump lost, from Arizona to Wisconsin and on down to Georgia.
This could stretch well into the overnight hours or even through the day Thursday. By the end, Pence will have to declare that Biden has won the electoral college and will be the next president. (Even though Trump has started pressuring Pence not to do so.)
All that’s left after this is to inaugurate Biden on Jan. 20. But the rift in the Republican Party created by this day will remain long afterward."
"Congress will meet around 1 p.m. Eastern tim... (show quote)



At the end, Pence, if he has the balls will declare that those states with so many irregularities as to be outcome determinative should go to their their own state legislatures and send a new slate of Electors as determined by them.

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Jan 5, 2021 18:53:26   #
foodie65
 
travelwp wrote:
How many of the 60 were heard before a judge or a jury......... NONE.


and there are one of two reasons they were not heard:
(1) the entire judicial system in this country opposes a second term for Dump
or
(2) all the 'evidence' was bs as defined by the laws of this country

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Jan 5, 2021 18:59:51   #
foodie65
 
Tex-s wrote:
...........................................................
1) With appointments being political, there is great doubt that ANY appointment is made on qualification alone, and that the probability approaches 100%, instead, that appointments are made with quid pro quo expectations, that the appointment is the quid pro quo..................................................


Didn't work out to well for Dump with US Supreme Court, did it??

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Jan 5, 2021 19:06:43   #
foodie65
 
Fotoartist wrote:


#2 Where do you get the claim that the Election lawsuits are meritless? I haven't see any of the lawsuits tried on the merits.


Basically because there were no merits to the lawsuits.

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Jan 5, 2021 19:10:20   #
foodie65
 
pfrancke wrote:
can he even do that? Fire Pence?


Legally he can't fire the VP but when has legality ever stopped Dump??

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Jan 5, 2021 19:12:14   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Tex-s wrote:
There is FAR more than enough evidence to have proceeded to a court hearing/trial in several jurisdictions. Merit was clearly present in many filings. Only an eye on outcomes could suggest not hearing cases, generally.
That the Courts have chose to shirk their Constitutional duty to adjudicate these claims is proof, to me, that the judiciary is now, officially and completely political, rather than Constitutional. There is simply NO argument that SAYING the election was not compromised is as useful or unifying as a trial that effectively PROVES there was no organized fraud. Dissent could be easily spanked down if a fair hearing showed that even the investigated allegations could not be proven, but not investigating?

I'm sure I'll hear from those who see it differently about how some of these folks were "Trump appointees" or "Bush appointees" etc. To that I say:

1) With appointments being political, there is great doubt that ANY appointment is made on qualification alone, and that the probability approaches 100%, instead, that appointments are made with quid pro quo expectations, that the appointment is the quid pro quo, or that the appointment is made to place a compromised individual in a position to do a (blackmail) favor later on.

2) As evidence of my hypothesis, I cite Elena Kagan, the lead attorney in the preparation of the case to defend Obamacare (ACA) in the Supreme Court. She was removed from that duty when she ascended to the SCOTUS as an Obama appointee, and then refused to recuse herself, despite devoting a couple of years to upholding the law.

3) Just a couple of years ago John Roberts voted in the minority in a Texas abortion case, saying then the Texas law did not impose a substantial restriction on abortion and should have stood. When a similar case crossed the SCOTUS docket in 2020, Roberts effectively changed his decision, saying both that the Texas case was wrongly decided, but that the Stare Decisis principle requires him to vote to affirm the older decision. Only a political decision, or utter lack of principle, can yield diametrically opposed decisions on roughly similar facts. Well, those possibilities, or blackmail.

4) John Roberts has been reported as taking an abjectly political stance in the face of the 2020 election challenges, reportedly telling Junior Court members that "he will tell them how to vote" and that the Court won't do "a F-ing thing" to assist Trump. Political.
There is FAR more than enough evidence to have pro... (show quote)


Hopefully you don't teach civics.

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