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Jan 3, 2021 14:21:29   #
David Taylor
 
one_eyed_pete wrote:
Let's see, I'm bored and I feel like being an instigator today just to have some fun. I think I'll start posting semi-intelligent snarky/nasty replies to everyone else to see how many people I can rile up. I wonder just how many pages I can drag this post out. I hope everyone doesn't start ignoring me and then I'll just be commenting to myself.


Sounds like a great idea.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:22:13   #
David Taylor
 
BobHartung wrote:
That sir is a stretch into the world of lies. Ansel Adams was a master, I think we can all agree. He did emphasize composition and proper exposure for the story he was trying to tell. As such he shortened or prolonged development time and utilized dilute developers on occasion.

But he then took his negatives in to the dark room and worked them tirelessly. An example was "Moonrise over Hernandez", an image the he reprinted for 20 years finally getting the image he wanted.

Thus shooting RAW is not covering inadequacies, as you say, but allowing the photographer/artist the opportunity to achieve the image he pictured in his mind when he made the exposure.
That sir is a stretch into the world of lies. Ans... (show quote)


Not talking about AA.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:22:31   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
sroc wrote:
Our English was good enough to save your tuchus in WWII ;-)


Lighten up. Smile and the whole world smiles with you - of course, there's always an exception.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:30:41   #
sroc
 
David Taylor wrote:
Eventually. That old chestnut.


OK. We pulled your chestnuts out of the fire ;-)

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Jan 3, 2021 14:32:24   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
BobHartung wrote:
That sir is a stretch into the world of lies. Ansel Adams was a master, I think we can all agree. He did emphasize composition and proper exposure for the story he was trying to tell. As such he shortened or prolonged development time and utilized dilute developers on occasion.

But he then took his negatives in to the dark room and worked them tirelessly. An example was "Moonrise over Hernandez", an image the he reprinted for 20 years finally getting the image he wanted.

Thus shooting RAW is not covering inadequacies, as you say, but allowing the photographer/artist the opportunity to achieve the image he pictured in his mind when he made the exposure.
That sir is a stretch into the world of lies. Ans... (show quote)


If Ansel was human, after 20 years the last print was probably very different from the one in his mind when he first snapped the shutter.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:33:39   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Getting back to the topic at hand, A.A. did express "One doesn't take a photograph. One makes a photograph." Thus, implying that processing is part of the procedure.
--Bob

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Jan 3, 2021 14:36:41   #
appealnow Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
I set the menu to save RAW and JPEG. For most things, JPEG fine but I always have the RAW file if I want to do more complex post-processing.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:36:51   #
appealnow Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
I set the menu to save RAW and JPEG. For most things, JPEG fine but I always have the RAW file if I want to do more complex post-processing.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:41:47   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
David Taylor wrote:
Not talking about AA.


That's right, but he did not take what the camera gave him and call it quits. He post processed endlessly. That is equivalent to post processing a raw image.

A more salient point. Why would you spend thousands of dollars on a camera to use it in a manner that might not be any better than a $500 point was shoot?

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Jan 3, 2021 14:43:25   #
David Taylor
 
Delderby wrote:
Lighten up. Smile and the whole world smiles with you - of course, there's always an exception.



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Jan 3, 2021 14:43:57   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
rmalarz wrote:
Getting back to the topic at hand, A.A. did express "One doesn't take a photograph. One makes a photograph." Thus, implying that processing is part of the procedure.
--Bob


Not sure that means the same today as when A.A. said it. If I'm not mistaken, before Polaroid, you had nothing if you didn't do some kind of processing. Your own images, which I always enjoy, are very often all about the processing. I'm not ignoring that your knowledge allowed you to choose the starting point.

Happy New Year Bob.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:44:33   #
David Taylor
 
BobHartung wrote:
That's right, but he did not take what the camera gave him and call it quits. He post processed endlessly. That is equivalent to post processing a raw image.

A more salient point. Why would you spend thousands of dollars on a camera to use it in a manner that might not be any better than a $500 point was shoot?


One of my favourites is a Nikon S2700.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:46:42   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
appealnow wrote:
I set the menu to save RAW and JPEG. For most things, JPEG fine but I always have the RAW file if I want to do more complex post-processing.

Ditto.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:47:10   #
David Taylor
 
sroc wrote:
OK. We pulled your chestnuts out of the fire ;-)


Lol.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:53:09   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Thank you very much, Bill.
--Bob
Bill_de wrote:
Not sure that means the same today as when A.A. said it. If I'm not mistaken, before Polaroid, you had nothing if you didn't do some kind of processing. Your own images, which I always enjoy, are very often all about the processing. I'm not ignoring that your knowledge allowed you to choose the starting point.

Happy New Year Bob.

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