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The frequent discussions (arguments?) about shooting raw vs. jpg leave me confused.
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Jan 3, 2021 13:47:49   #
David Taylor
 
srt101fan wrote:
Don't you ever get tired of not saying anything?


No. I know you look forward to reading it.

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Jan 3, 2021 13:48:53   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
My take on the RAW vs JPEG discussion.
1. All sensors record RAW data in the camera
2. If camera is set to RAW for record, then nothing more is done to the 'captured image' until someone processing in post using a wide selection of processing options.
3. If camera is set to JPEG capture, the particular camera manufacturer processes the 'captured image' very quickly before the photographer sees it in the camera's play back screen. Hence the image is processed. In addition there are setting options in the camera that can be selected by the photographer that affect the jpeg completed image.

One pro (Randall Hodges) that I took a class from shoots Canon and jpeg only and has numerous settings he teaches to mimic various old film styles. He states that all of the images he prints and sells are 'straight out of the camera (SOOC).'

One easy test anyone can do is to set their camera to record both RAW and jpeg images. Shoot a variety of images and download them to your computer. Then compare the same image in both formats side by side. The RAW image will most likely not look as good as the jpeg image initially. Then process the RAW image and compare them again. I think this will help clarify the RAW v jpeg question for many photographers.

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Jan 3, 2021 13:49:14   #
David Taylor
 
Delderby wrote:
While RAW is not an acronym, it is so often used when also considering e.g., JPG or TIFF that it just fits better in a statement or passage.


Yes, so often misused.

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Jan 3, 2021 13:49:52   #
David Taylor
 
Delderby wrote:
same as pidgin english



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Jan 3, 2021 13:51:03   #
David Taylor
 
JFCoupe wrote:
My take on the RAW vs JPEG discussion.
1. All sensors record RAW data in the camera
2. If camera is set to RAW for record, then nothing more is done to the 'captured image' until someone processing in post using a wide selection of processing options.
3. If camera is set to JPEG capture, the particular camera manufacturer processes the 'captured image' very quickly before the photographer sees it in the camera's play back screen. Hence the image is processes. In addition there are setting options in the camera that can be selected by the photographer that affect the jpeg completed image.

One pro (Randall Hodges)that I took a class from shoots Canon and jpeg only and has numerous settings he teaches to mimic various old film styles. He states that all of the images he prints and sells are 'straight out of the camera (SOOC).'

One easy test anyone can do is to set their camera to record both RAW and jpeg images. Shoot a variety of images and download them to your computer. Then compare the same image in both formats side by side. The RAW image will most likely not look as good as the jpeg image initially. Then process the RAW image and compare them again. I think this will help clarify the RAW v jpeg question for many photographers.
My take on the RAW vs JPEG discussion. br 1. All ... (show quote)

Yeah, smart folk don't do raw.

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Jan 3, 2021 13:56:14   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
David Taylor wrote:
Yes, so often misused.


But usually understood when used in context. Doesn't help the final image.

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Jan 3, 2021 13:57:45   #
David Taylor
 
Bill_de wrote:
But usually understood when used in context. Doesn't help the final image.

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Yes.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:03:16   #
sroc
 
Delderby wrote:
same as pidgin english


Our English was good enough to save your tuchus in WWII ;-)

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Jan 3, 2021 14:08:53   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
David Taylor, you impress me as being an argumentative, acerbic, and non-contributory in your manner. The type best ignored.
--Bob

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Jan 3, 2021 14:09:31   #
one_eyed_pete Loc: Colonie NY
 
Let's see, I'm bored and I feel like being an instigator today just to have some fun. I think I'll start posting semi-intelligent snarky/nasty replies to everyone else to see how many people I can rile up. I wonder just how many pages I can drag this post out. I hope everyone doesn't start ignoring me and then I'll just be commenting to myself.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:17:08   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
David Taylor wrote:
Yes, use raw to cover up your inadequacies.


That sir is a stretch into the world of lies. Ansel Adams was a master, I think we can all agree. He did emphasize composition and proper exposure for the story he was trying to tell. As such he shortened or prolonged development time and utilized dilute developers on occasion.

But he then took his negatives in to the dark room and worked them tirelessly. An example was "Moonrise over Hernandez", an image the he reprinted for 20 years finally getting the image he wanted.

Thus shooting RAW is not covering inadequacies, as you say, but allowing the photographer/artist the opportunity to achieve the image he pictured in his mind when he made the exposure.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:19:13   #
DrAW45 Loc: Maumee Ohio
 
Excellent point !!!

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Jan 3, 2021 14:19:30   #
David Taylor
 
sroc wrote:
Our English was good enough to save your tuchus in WWII ;-)


Eventually. That old chestnut.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:19:51   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
amfoto1 wrote:
You don't seem at all confused about the differences shooting RAW vs JPEG.

For me it all comes down to one thing....

I've never seen a photo that didn't need at least a little tweaking in post processing, and that's MUCH better done working from a RAW file than it is from a JPEG.

Something you forgot... Sometimes it's necessary to shoot JPEGs, such as when the images are needed immediately, when there's no time to do a RAW conversion and work on the image. (When that's the case, I usually shoot RAW + JPEG, to still have the option of later make more tweaks to the image in post-processing if I wish.)

Most cameras today capture 14 bit images. A few even do full 16 bit. Regardless, when a RAW file is edited most software works with it as a 16 bit file.

JPEGs out of camera are 8 bit. The difference is that 8 bit files have 256 tonalities per color channel, while 16 bit have 65,536 tonalities per channel! 16 bit images simply have a much more comprehensive "color palette" to work with. One of the ways this difference shows up in images is "banding" in smooth tonal gradations. That ugly effect is far more likely to occur in an 8 bit image than in 16 bit.

Yes, there are times when RAW allows you to correct a shooting mistake. Getting it "right" in-camera is always best. But it's almost never 100%. By no means is RAW just a covering up one's "inadequacies" as a photographer, as some like to suggest. Those "JPEG only" people never make any mistakes, I'm sure. But even their images would be better... sometimes a great deal better... if they instead shot RAW and did some finishing work on them. Working with RAW files is just part of the process of making your images the very best they can be. But, hey, if your JPEGs straight out of camera are "good enough" for your purposes, there's no one stopping you from shooting them.
You don't seem at all confused about the differenc... (show quote)
Quite often, if you shoot a well exposed image in RAW, all you have to do is hit the Auto button in Lightroom and it's done. I'm not sure if hitting auto just does what making a jpeg in camera does or not. All I know is when I shoot a good shot in RAW there's little adjustment needed. It's not covering up inadequacies it's more about bringing out the best of what was captured.

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Jan 3, 2021 14:20:44   #
David Taylor
 
rmalarz wrote:
David Taylor, you impress me as being an argumentative, acerbic, and non-contributory in your manner. The type best ignored.
--Bob


Love to impress.

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