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Dec 13, 2020 14:04:56   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Yup, the Left won while America lost.

Dennis



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Dec 13, 2020 14:20:20   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
Huey Driver wrote:
So where's the beef (PROOF)?


I’d like to see proof that there was fraud. Over 50 suits by cadre of lawyers with 2 meaningless wins. No proof no fraud; just lies and willing believers.

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Dec 13, 2020 14:23:48   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
49south wrote:
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/michael-flynn-tells-stop-the-steal-rally-that-on-a-1-10-scale-his-confidence-that-trump-will-remain-president-is-a-10/


Last week Flynn recommended Trump declare martial law and nullify the victory.

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Dec 13, 2020 14:24:53   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
DukeTarHeel wrote:
Last week Flynn recommended Trump declare martial law and nullify the victory.


Should have left him in jail.

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Dec 13, 2020 16:12:34   #
btbg
 
dsturr wrote:
"Given his need to win both states, Nixon knew there was no point seeking a recount in Illinois unless he also had a chance of prevailing in a Texas recount. But, as Nixon himself explained in his 1962 memoir Six Crises, 'there was no procedure whatever for a losing candidate to get a recount in Texas.' "

As I said, even if Nixon won in Illinois, he would have lost. Period. I've already read his 1962 memoir. Which you obviously hadn't or you wouldn't have made your nonsensical postings. Had I been able to vote in the 1960 election I would have voted for Nixon.

Argue it anyway you want, the loss is a fact, just as Trump's win in 2016 is. Citing the reasons doesn't change the fact Trump made another false statement.

How did LBJ enter a discussion about Trump making a false statement?

Read a book.
"Given his need to win both states, Nixon kne... (show quote)


Hist post isn't nonsensical. What it points out is that since Texas had no provisions for a recount the cheating worked.

That's the whole point. The cheating this year appears to have worked as well. You are correct that contesting Illinois would not have given Nixon the election. But you are incorrect if you are trying to say that Kennedy didn't win fraudulently.

This election is very similar, including evidence of fraud existing, but no way to get courts to look at it or change the outcome.

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Dec 13, 2020 16:15:55   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
btbg wrote:
Hist post isn't nonsensical. What it points out is that since Texas had no provisions for a recount the cheating worked.

That's the whole point. The cheating this year appears to have worked as well. You are correct that contesting Illinois would not have given Nixon the election. But you are incorrect if you are trying to say that Kennedy didn't win fraudulently.

This election is very similar, including evidence of fraud existing, but no way to get courts to look at it or change the outcome.
Hist post isn't nonsensical. What it points out is... (show quote)


Why wasn’t the “evidence” presented? Where’s the evidence - MIA?

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Dec 13, 2020 16:20:34   #
tommyII Loc: Northern Illinois
 
I should have said he comes back up on you like Vomit. ironically, he looks like it too.

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Dec 13, 2020 17:17:19   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
soba1 wrote:
Don’t forget Fang workin that thang


That would make a great Country Western song title

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Dec 13, 2020 17:21:00   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
DennyT wrote:
A really uninformed statement .
Biden will leave tariffs on place . He appointment of a strong willed China expert , Katherine Tai , to trade position that will be as tough and much much smarter at it than the trump team ever was.


NOW YOU ARE JOKING...HOPEFULLY

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Dec 13, 2020 17:39:18   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
wilpharm wrote:
NOW YOU ARE JOKING...HOPEFULLY


I fear not!

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Dec 13, 2020 17:54:38   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
btbg wrote:
You are right that elections have consequences. I can't speak for anyone else, only myself, but I am going to accept Biden as president, but will never believe the election was legitimate because as I read the Constitution almost all of the election rule changes that were made to accommodate covid were unconstitutional and they had a huge impact on the election.

I know that most people are arguing fraud. I don't know if there was fraud or not. I think there probably was, but I don't think it made as much difference as the election law changes. So, fraud or no fraud I don't believe it was a fair election and that isn't going to change. I just hope they clean up the rules prior to the 2022 midterm elections.

Remember that in the Rasmussen poll 10 percent of democrats believe that the election was unfair, it isn't just Republicans. Something very weird happened in this election. 19 of the 20 bellweather counties voted for Trump. Typically only one bellweather county is wrong or they are all right. That's why they are bellweather counties. Trump took Ohio and Florida. Republicans always win when they take those two states. So, there was a lot of weird stuff going on fraud or no fraud. Oh, and way fewer absentee ballots were thrown out for not matching signatures than usual. That is also odd as you would expect a bunch of first time mail in voters to make mistakes. So, really odd election results and I think that historically it will go down very much like the JFK vs Nixon election where there is still questions about who really won.
You are right that elections have consequences. I ... (show quote)


Article 1 section 4 gives the states the right to make and change election law as the see fit unless Congress passes a law which affects their law. Congress has passed much legislation but the only one that affects the elections directly is the Electoral Count Act. A rather opaque law it focuses on procedures for counting electoral votes. The rest of the legislation is about insuring that everyone eligible to vote can vote, including what counts as eligible.

It’s up to the states to decide how to run their election. A different state cannot sue another state on voting procedures - no grounds. The US justice department can sue states over claims of discrimination, voter suppression, equal access and the like but they cannot do so over procedures unless they are discriminatory.... The only venue is the state judiciary with the state law and constitution. So if they find that there was no fraud that’s it.


https://constitutionus.com/#a1s4

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Dec 13, 2020 17:56:40   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
smf85 wrote:
Article 1 section 4 gives the states the right to make and change election law as the see fit unless Congress passes a law which affects their law. Congress has passed much legislation but the only one that affects the elections directly is the Electoral Count Act. A rather opaque law it focuses on procedures for counting electoral votes. The rest of the legislation is about insuring that everyone eligible to vote can vote, including what counts as eligible.

It’s up to the states to decide how to run their election. A different state cannot sue another state on voting procedures - no grounds. The US justice department can sue states over claims of discrimination, voter suppression, equal access and the like but they cannot do so over procedures unless they are discriminatory.... The only venue is the state judiciary with the state law and constitution. So if they find that there was no fraud that’s it.


https://constitutionus.com/#a1s4
Article 1 section 4 gives the states the right to ... (show quote)


It's also up to the states to follow their own election laws and pass them in a Constitutional manner.

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Dec 13, 2020 18:04:16   #
dsturr
 
btbg wrote:
Hist post isn't nonsensical. What it points out is that since Texas had no provisions for a recount the cheating worked.

That's the whole point. The cheating this year appears to have worked as well. You are correct that contesting Illinois would not have given Nixon the election. But you are incorrect if you are trying to say that Kennedy didn't win fraudulently.

This election is very similar, including evidence of fraud existing, but no way to get courts to look at it or change the outcome.
Hist post isn't nonsensical. What it points out is... (show quote)


Look at my original post.

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Dec 13, 2020 18:05:59   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
idaholover wrote:
That would make a great Country Western song title


Hahahahahaha some people the foxes are in the hen house

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Dec 13, 2020 19:16:32   #
btbg
 
smf85 wrote:
Article 1 section 4 gives the states the right to make and change election law as the see fit unless Congress passes a law which affects their law. Congress has passed much legislation but the only one that affects the elections directly is the Electoral Count Act. A rather opaque law it focuses on procedures for counting electoral votes. The rest of the legislation is about insuring that everyone eligible to vote can vote, including what counts as eligible.

It’s up to the states to decide how to run their election. A different state cannot sue another state on voting procedures - no grounds. The US justice department can sue states over claims of discrimination, voter suppression, equal access and the like but they cannot do so over procedures unless they are discriminatory.... The only venue is the state judiciary with the state law and constitution. So if they find that there was no fraud that’s it.
https://constitutionus.com/#a1s4
Article 1 section 4 gives the states the right to ... (show quote)


Yes, but read the Constitution more carefully, it says state legislatures, not governors, secretaries of state and judges. And, other than Nevada, and AR77 in Pennsylvania, which violated their state constitution all of the changes weren't made by state legislatures.

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