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Photoshop's new Supper Zoom neural filter
Dec 6, 2020 11:33:48   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
In latest photoshop release, there is a new set of filters that they call neural filters and in that group are a couple of "beta filters." One of those is their super zoom. Via that filter, you can zoom in 2x, 3x, etc and then pan to get a portion of the original image. That image portion is then processed (using various adjustable settings) to provide the same resolution as the original image. Its analogous to the Topaz gigapixel image enhancement filter. If an image is going to be significantly cropped, the super zoom filter will likely be useful. Below is an comparison of a straight crop vs use of the super zoom filter. The super zoom version applied the default parameter settings (excluding the "enhance face details" control). It does seem to be noticeably better than the cropped image.


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Dec 6, 2020 11:38:14   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Actually the cropped version is better...

Look at the closest bird. In the zoomed version it had fringes that are not present in the cropped version.

Is it due to some setting? Possibly. I have not tried this feature.

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Dec 6, 2020 11:39:28   #
bleirer
 
Sounds useful. I wonder how it compares to cropping and applying preserve details when resizing. I'm assuming identical results, but have to check it out.

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Dec 6, 2020 11:43:16   #
LeeG Loc: Virginia
 
Hard to see how this is different from classic sharpening.

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Dec 6, 2020 11:57:41   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually the cropped version is better...

Look at the closest bird. In the zoomed version it had fringes that are not present in the cropped version.

Is it due to some setting? Possibly. I have not tried this feature.


In case anyone wants to try the filter with same image and different settings, the original is attached.


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Dec 6, 2020 12:02:47   #
bleirer
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually the cropped version is better...

Look at the closest bird. In the zoomed version it had fringes that are not present in the cropped version.

Is it due to some setting? Possibly. I have not tried this feature.


The halo in the zoomed version is noticable. Maybe a sharpening halo? But it is not a fair comparison unless the cropped version is also resized to be equal to the zoomed version. Without resizing we are looking at a smaller section of the image but still original resolution. One would have to resize the crop up to match pixels dimensions of the zoomed version.

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Dec 6, 2020 12:03:36   #
bleirer
 
LeeG wrote:
Hard to see how this is different from classic sharpening.


Sharpening doesn't resize, though. This does.

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Dec 6, 2020 12:25:04   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bleirer wrote:
The halo in the zoomed version is noticable. Maybe a sharpening halo? But it is not a fair comparison unless the cropped version is also resized to be equal to the zoomed version. Without resizing we are looking at a smaller section of the image but still original resolution. One would have to resize the crop up to match pixels dimensions of the zoomed version.


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Dec 7, 2020 07:24:50   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Yep, I se the same thing. In the cropped version, the user can select the sky and adjust it to eye, and the same for the foreground.
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually the cropped version is better...

Look at the closest bird. In the zoomed version it had fringes that are not present in the cropped version.

Is it due to some setting? Possibly. I have not tried this feature.

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Dec 7, 2020 08:03:12   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually the cropped version is better...

Look at the closest bird. In the zoomed version it had fringes that are not present in the cropped version.

Is it due to some setting? Possibly. I have not tried this feature.


I didn't notice until you pointed it out because I noticed rite off the cropped version is a sharper image. The filtered version seems to have added some softness or blur to it.

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Dec 7, 2020 09:19:50   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
With a name like "neural filters" would this not seem to be Adobe's stab at what others have called A.I.? (Artificial intelligence)?

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Dec 7, 2020 10:55:42   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
f8lee wrote:
With a name like "neural filters" would this not seem to be Adobe's stab at what others have called A.I.? (Artificial intelligence)?


Yes.

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Dec 7, 2020 13:23:02   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
rfcoakley wrote:
In latest photoshop release, there is a new set of filters that they call neural filters and in that group are a couple of "beta filters." One of those is their super zoom. Via that filter, you can zoom in 2x, 3x, etc and then pan to get a portion of the original image. That image portion is then processed (using various adjustable settings) to provide the same resolution as the original image. Its analogous to the Topaz gigapixel image enhancement filter. If an image is going to be significantly cropped, the super zoom filter will likely be useful. Below is an comparison of a straight crop vs use of the super zoom filter. The super zoom version applied the default parameter settings (excluding the "enhance face details" control). It does seem to be noticeably better than the cropped image.
In latest photoshop release, there is a new set of... (show quote)

The cropped version is considerably better; much better resolution / detail!

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Dec 7, 2020 14:06:56   #
bleirer
 
bwana wrote:
The cropped version is considerably better; much better resolution / detail!

bwa


It is impossible to compare, because the first one is resized to 36 megapixels, the second is only 11 megapixels. Make a 20x30 print out of each. If you don't want a bigger print, there is no reason to resize....

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