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Dec 4, 2020 07:30:33   #
tallshooter
 
dpullum wrote:
"It's like getting a Bentley and looking for cheap used mismatched tires." Gene you forgot to add "There is no free lunch."

Now screwing up any car with significantly unmatched tires is not wise, but traditionally women do get a free lunch when the check is handed to the man. Poof, analogies mess up thinking, so I ask you Gene, with a perfectly good mind why do you screwup your thinking and communications to others with analogies? Use facts and references that stick to the subject like flypaper.

Free programs from "open source" are often excellent. Many use the basic tools to trim and polish an excellent photo taken by a Bentley camera or a pocket camera with a one-inch sensor and computer designed zoom lens.

With the advent of Ai in photo processing and older plugins such as Topaz low cost and free edit programs work miraculous image changes. Gimp is of course an example of FREE ever-improving Open Source software that for most people and has abilities riveling PS which is like a Bentley built on an outmoded chassis.

Here PS wins, but only in some areas, and Gimp is declared great for most of the "car owners"
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3509458/gimp-vs-photoshop-we-compare-the-leading-free-and-subscription-image-editors.html

Another comparison and PS wins only by a squeak 97% vs 96% for Gimp
https://comparisons.financesonline.com/gimp-vs-adobe-photoshop-cc

Alternatives to Michelin Tires for your Bentley camera:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/best-photoshop-alternatives/

Never forget that new tires that you can afford are better than driving on bald tires because you can not afford those Adobe PS tires that you will pay for monthly forever and even after your death because the dead can not cancel their subscription.
"It's like getting a Bentley and looking for ... (show quote)


BUT, They can "Not pay their bill"

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Dec 4, 2020 07:36:26   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
bsprague wrote:
"Adobe Photoshop Express is a free image editing and collage making mobile application from Adobe Inc. The app is available on iOS, Android and Windows phones and tablets. It can also be installed on Windows desktop with Windows 8 and above, via the Microsoft Store. Photoshop Express Editor has various features which can be used to enhance photos."

Two key words, "Express" and "free". The organizer/file browser called Bridge is also free from Adobe. They work best if you have an account, but you don't have to have anything in that account that is being billed.
"Adobe Photoshop Express is a free image edit... (show quote)


"Free and decent software to improve pictures" is a category completely subject to individual need and interpretation. If the request is for something not as sophisticated as PS or ON1 (my preference), I second your suggestion, with the additional comment that Photoshop Express is quite capable of much improving images - and requires essentially NO learning time, being about as easy to use as anything you can find. It's free, so give it a try.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Dec 4, 2020 09:19:42   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Gene51 wrote:
I'll never understand why someone would spend $100s or even $1000s on camera gear, computer, display etc and not want to pay for software. It's like getting a Bentley and looking for cheap used mismatched tires. SMH . . .


My sentiments exactly. It’s like searching for the best free lens. I know, I know, novices might want to just dabble in PP before they leap but lots of vendors out there provide free trials.

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Dec 4, 2020 09:57:55   #
ColonelButler Loc: Niagara-on-the-Lake ON Canada
 

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Dec 4, 2020 11:13:38   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
gvarner wrote:
y sentiments exactly. It’s like searching for the best free lens. I know, I know, novices might want to just dabble in PP before they leap but lots of vendors out there provide free trials.


That's funny. I've seen some absolutely amazing work produced from all variety of software. But I've also seen some very awful work from that same variety of software.

So I have to take a guess here and say its not the software, but the person using it?? In my opinion, it just seems there are a group of users of a certain software that always seem they have to over justify why its "better" to use their choice.

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Dec 4, 2020 11:30:49   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
rlv567 wrote:
"Free and decent software to improve pictures" is a category completely subject to individual need and interpretation. If the request is for something not as sophisticated as PS or ON1 (my preference), I second your suggestion, with the additional comment that Photoshop Express is quite capable of much improving images - and requires essentially NO learning time, being about as easy to use as anything you can find. It's free, so give it a try.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


Thank you for agreeing with me Loren!

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Dec 4, 2020 11:33:08   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Ourspolair wrote:
Sorry I mis-stated that. Rawtherapee can be used as a plug-in to GIMP, (which does not natively recognize the 16-bit .arw file), so you are quite right in correcting me. Please stay well.


I figured that is what you meant.

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Dec 4, 2020 12:13:53   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
johngault007 wrote:
You ask this every time, but still don't understand that for some of us it really isn't about money.

To use your Bentley analogy is a more aligned way (for me and some other linux users): It's like getting a Bentley that can only use "X tires", but the rest of the world predominantly uses "Y tires". Now "Y tires" are more expensive and have been around longer, so there is plenty of brand following. Unfortunately, "Y tires" do not work on my Bentley without modifying them in a way that they lose performance. BUT......."X tires" provide the same basic functionality and a lot of other performance characteristics of "Y tires". But again, they aren't as expensive, and therefore must be inferior because not everyone understands.

Now...most of us "X tire" users are really happy in our bubble and leave the "Y tire" people alone about their choices. Because at the end of the day, it's just that a personal choice.
You ask this every time, but still don't understan... (show quote)


I have to agree with @Gene51 here. His analogy is more spot on. It’s not about using the brand that fits your vehicle it’s about using cheap mismatched tires after spending so much on a high end luxury vehicle. It is always about the money. The OP did not say they were a Linux user and did not ask about software that works on Linux. That is a different question. I am not disparaging the OP for asking about free software. To each their own. But I agree with Gene51 you(in general not the OP) spend thousands on photography equipment then want to cheap out on free software which may very well be the most important or one of the most important links in the chain of getting what you see with your eye to the final image. In the larger perspective high end editing software might be the least expensive expenditure of all. The gold standard of software, photoshop, costs less than a single lens and there are others that cost even less.

To answer the OP directly the best free software would most likely be the software that came with your camera. My personal experience is the software that comes with the camera will perform all the editing functions you will need short of actual pixel manipulation and do it very well. Those software packages for what they are, better than just good, they are usually excellent.

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Dec 4, 2020 12:23:59   #
rangel28
 
camerabuff58 wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is a free decent software to improve pictures?
Thanks


If you are using a Windows computer FastStone Image Viewer opens photos quickly on your computer and allows you to make basic edits. And it's free.

https://www.faststone.org/

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Dec 4, 2020 12:37:51   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
It's possible that Gene's images need a lot more detailed processing than the rest of us.

Seriously it is probable that many people (myself included) don't want to be too involved in post processing. So, we get the camera that will give us the best SOOC image, or as close to it as possible.

Why do people but cars that can go 1 1/2 to 2 times the speed limit.

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Dec 4, 2020 12:42:51   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
dpullum wrote:
"It's like getting a Bentley and looking for cheap used mismatched tires." Gene you forgot to add "There is no free lunch."

Now screwing up any car with significantly unmatched tires is not wise, but traditionally women do get a free lunch when the check is handed to the man. Poof, analogies mess up thinking, so I ask you Gene, with a perfectly good mind why do you screwup your thinking and communications to others with analogies? Use facts and references that stick to the subject like flypaper.

Free programs from "open source" are often excellent. Many use the basic tools to trim and polish an excellent photo taken by a Bentley camera or a pocket camera with a one-inch sensor and computer designed zoom lens.

With the advent of Ai in photo processing and older plugins such as Topaz low cost and free edit programs work miraculous image changes. Gimp is of course an example of FREE ever-improving Open Source software that for most people and has abilities riveling PS which is like a Bentley built on an outmoded chassis.

Here PS wins, but only in some areas, and Gimp is declared great for most of the "car owners"
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3509458/gimp-vs-photoshop-we-compare-the-leading-free-and-subscription-image-editors.html

Another comparison and PS wins only by a squeak 97% vs 96% for Gimp
https://comparisons.financesonline.com/gimp-vs-adobe-photoshop-cc

Alternatives to Michelin Tires for your Bentley camera:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/best-photoshop-alternatives/

Never forget that new tires that you can afford are better than driving on bald tires because you can not afford those Adobe PS tires that you will pay for monthly forever and even after your death because the dead can not cancel their subscription.
"It's like getting a Bentley and looking for ... (show quote)


You make some very good points however keep in mind you are still comparing open sourse software to PS implying PS is still the gold standard. As a matter of fact most paid software still compare itself to PS which says it is still the standard. As far as an outdated chassis I don’t know if I can agree with that. All the others are still trying to keep up with PS. No one is really doing anything significantly different with their platforms. So it can’t be that out dated. I have used Gimp and have not found it to be that great. It is good but still falls short of PS. I guess if you are a Linux user it is your best option.
I will agree with you that there are lots of very good free editing software. However I still have to agree with Gene51 if you spend all this money on photography gear computer monitor etc and then are looking to edit with free software??? I don’t get that.
I guess the real question Gene51 might be asking is, Do people not really value or view editing software as part of their photography equipment? Forget photoshop, but would any of us even think of putting a cheap strap on our cameras for fear it would break? Would any of us use a cheap lens filter for fear that it would effect the image quality? How about a cheap memory card? But in the digital age when software is a critical part of creating a digital image people will use free software. Is the perceived value of software as a tool that low? I think that is the disconnect.

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Dec 4, 2020 12:46:02   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
GIMP


I'll second that; run the GIMP along with DarkTable.

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Dec 4, 2020 12:48:14   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Jaackil wrote:
I have to agree with @Gene51 here. His analogy is more spot on. It’s not about using the brand that fits your vehicle it’s about using cheap mismatched tires after spending so much on a high end luxury vehicle. It is always about the money. The OP did not say they were a Linux user and did not ask about software that works on Linux. That is a different question. I am not disparaging the OP for asking about free software. To each their own. But I agree with Gene51 you(in general not the OP) spend thousands on photography equipment then want to cheap out on free software which may very well be the most important or one of the most important links in the chain of getting what you see with your eye to the final image. In the larger perspective high end editing software might be the least expensive expenditure of all. The gold standard of software, photoshop, costs less than a single lens and there are others that cost even less.

To answer the OP directly the best free software would most likely be the software that came with your camera. My personal experience is the software that comes with the camera will perform all the editing functions you will need short of actual pixel manipulation and do it very well. Those software packages for what they are, better than just good, they are usually excellent.
I have to agree with @Gene51 here. His analogy i... (show quote)


I wasn't responding to the OP's post. Just the same copy/paste response Gene has every time a member asks about free software. Gene asked a question about why someone would use it...I responded with a logical answer about the choices in the software I use.

FOSS software is under constant criticism every time it is recommended or discussed on these forums. I will not be an absolutist and say that some arguments aren't justified, because that would be blindly putting all my support into one software system, sound familiar? But, to dismiss FOSS software and development as cheap or only attractive to those that do not understand photography is a statement with no factual research behind it. If that was the case, every person posting on this forum using "The Gold Standard" would submit astonishing work, and everyone not using "The Gold Standard" would post sub-standard work. But like I have mentioned before, I have seen great and horrible work from the entire spectrum of post-processing software....so really, the user is "The Gold Standard" and not the software.

** NOTICE ** No post processing software was devalued in this post.

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Dec 4, 2020 12:50:48   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
I'll second that; run the GIMP along with DarkTable.




I have been using/learning darktable for coming up on two years and still continue to expand my knowledge. With my favorite modules and the use of some presets, post processing isn't as much of a chore as when I started learning how to use the software.

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Dec 4, 2020 14:29:00   #
Abo
 
camerabuff58 wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is a free decent software to improve pictures?
Thanks


I have (Paid) copies of Photoshop and Phase Ones Capture One.
Both are powerful and versatile programs, however I use
the free to download RawTherapee as much as the other two.

If I just need basic adjustments like light and colour levels,
tone mapping, sharpening, straightening, perspective corrections
et al; RawTherapee is quicker and does the job well.

Processed with RawTherapee. The first 2 frames are digital scans
of the original 35mm negs, however I processed those with RawTherapee too:


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