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Nov 28, 2020 09:50:58   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
What is Trump's favorite cigarette? Answer; Lucky Strike

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Nov 28, 2020 09:52:34   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
incognito wrote:
If your Mama held an aspirin tightly between her legs you wouldn't be here either. One less Anti-Semitic POS in this world. Too bad


I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm just stating a fact.
If your mama was human, you might even have a brain.

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Nov 28, 2020 10:04:13   #
incognito
 
Frank T wrote:
I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm just stating a fact.
If your mama was human, you might even have a brain.


You are Full of It. You Facts are twisted to suit you needs. Once a POS always a POS.

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Nov 28, 2020 10:07:27   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Frank T wrote:
I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm just stating a fact.
If your mama was human, you might even have a brain.


But you haven't stated the implications of the fact you stated. Was it a bad thing to have established a Jewish nation? Should the Jewish refugee survivors of mass murder have been left to their own devices? Some tried to return to their homes in Poland. What happened to them? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kielce-post-holocaust-pogrom-poland-still-fighting-over-180967681/


2020 marks the 75th anniversary of one of the most egregious acts of exclusion, one that has been almost stricken from historical memory: the decision to prevent Jewish Holocaust survivors and non-Jewish victims of World War II from immigrating to the United States. At war’s end in 1945 Europe, millions of ill-clothed, malnourished, diseased, and disoriented concentration, death, and labor camp survivors, forced laborers and slave laborers, POWs and political prisoners were left to wander the roadways and haunt the town squares and marketplaces in search of food and shelter. American military forces took the lead in rounding them up, transporting them to assembly centers, and then repatriating millions to their former homes in western Europe, Italy, and the Soviet Union. By summer’s end, however, there remained left behind in Germany a million displaced persons (DPs), who were unable or unwilling to return home or, like the Jewish survivors, had no homes to return to. The United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Agency, largely funded by the United States, was organized to shelter, feed, and provide these last million victims of war with medical care in newly established DP camps. They would remain there for the next three to five years while the victors in war debated what to do with them.

For the Jews who survived the concentration and death camps or in hiding throughout Europe or in the deep recesses of the Soviet Union, as for the eastern Europeans who had been violently ripped from their homes to serve as slave and forced laborers in European, the violence and brutality of war had not been magically erased with the cessation of hostilities.

The Soviet Union and the eastern bloc nations demanded that the last million DPs in Germany, with the exception of Jews, be returned to their former homelands. Those who had committed war crimes or collaborated with the Nazis would be brought to justice; those who had been deported to Germany as forced laborers or POWs would assist in the rebuilding of their shattered nations. The United States disagreed. As Eleanor Roosevelt, an American delegate to the United Nations, declared unequivocally, displaced persons who had committed no crimes had every right to refuse repatriation to their Soviet-dominated homelands.

Over Soviet objections, the United States and its allies organized and funded the International Refugee Organization to resettle those who refused to go home again. While American representatives encouraged the nations of the world to accept, resettle, and put the eastern European DPs to work, Congress refused to even consider allowing them to immigrate to the U.S. The only exception made was for several thousand Nazi collaborators and scientists who were handpicked by government and military officials and clandestinely transported to the United States to use their expertise and knowledge to help fight the Cold War.

For the Jewish survivors, America’s refusal to open its gates was particularly cruel. Barred by the British from immigrating to Palestine and denied resettlement by IRO nations whose governments considered them too damaged, too clannish, too dangerous, and either incapable or unwilling to do the hard work required of them, America remained the Jewish survivors’ best and last hope of escaping quasi-captivity in German DP camps.

For three full years, the U.S. Congress ignored the plight of the Last Million. Only in June of 1948 did Congress pass a bill authorizing the admission of 200,000 DPs, but barring the immigration of the 90% of Jewish survivors who, having spent the war years in the Soviet Union and/or the first months of the postwar period in Poland, were accused of being Communist sympathizers or operatives. No such “security” measures were written into the law to guard against the entry of the thousands of Nazi collaborators and war criminals who had lied their way into the displaced persons camps. The outcry against the discriminatory nature of the first Displaced Persons Act was such that it was amended, two years later, to remove the restrictions on Jewish immigration, but, by this time, after three to five years in camps in Germany, the vast majority of survivors, unwilling to spend a day more in Germany, had immigrated to Israel, illegally before May, 1948 and then legally after Israel declared, and President Truman recognized, its independence.

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Nov 28, 2020 10:14:27   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Frank T wrote:
I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm just stating a fact.
If your mama was human, you might even have a brain.


Why do you troll?

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Nov 28, 2020 11:18:52   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55105934

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Even the obamas pallets of cash could not protect him.
Great news!

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Nov 28, 2020 11:58:14   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Frank T wrote:
Congratulations on bringing ignorance to a new level.


What did he do, wake you up.

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Nov 28, 2020 11:59:54   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
How is it that you can so easily get behind this conspiracy yet want to so easily put to rest the 100's of affidavits sworn by observers that say they witnessed voter fraud on a massive scale?


Gullible fools all.

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Nov 28, 2020 12:12:19   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
incognito wrote:
When you fight for your life there are no rules. To let Iran get nuclear capabilities is suicide for Israel and any other enemy of Iran. Israel has attacked Iranian nuclear facilities in the past, they have sabotaged their centrifuges. and killed other nuclear scientists So what if Iran attacks Israel and a few hundred soldiers die it is still worth it. Course if Carter did his job and protected the Shah of Iran we would not be in this mess. I guess you can't blame Trump for that one.



Bull there would not even have been an Iranian revolution if America had not installed the shah in the first place.

The reason we are so hated around the world is because we have in the past thought it was ok to butt in , start revolution, start wars internal to other countries.
You reap what you sow!

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Nov 28, 2020 12:29:11   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DennyT wrote:
Bull there would not even have been an Iranian revolution if America had not installed the shah in the first place.

The reason we are so hated around the world is because we have in the past thought it was ok to butt in , start revolution, start wars internal to other countries.
You reap what you sow!


Correct. We installed a Puppet in Iran just like we are installing a Puppet here in the good old USA.

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Nov 28, 2020 12:39:29   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
letmedance wrote:
Correct. We installed a Puppet in Iran just like we are installing a Puppet here in the good old USA.



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Nov 28, 2020 13:08:38   #
Tex-s
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55105934

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I'm with others in that my knee-jerk opinion is that the U.S. did not take this action, and likely did not choose it. I'd not be shocked if the U.S. knew of the plan, but it just does not play like a U.S. strike.

If there ever exists any clear evidence on this, and if said evidence has any link at all to the U.S. , I still have to quietly applaud the move. The current administration deplores the Iran "deal" and removed the U.S. from it. Biden has frequently intimated he plans to effectively re-install the operating system of Obama.02 which the current administration and roughly half the nation also oppose. So let's calculate out a few lines, chess style:

Iran does nothing to retaliate, but refuses to re-enter the agreement and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader.

Iran retaliates in some token fashion, and Biden CAN'T re-install the agreement...and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader..

Iran does nothing, Biden does re-enter the Iran 'deal', and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader.

Iran tries to retaliate against Israel in a large way and Israel lays Tehran waste. Biden has to choose between Israel and Iran. And, oh yea, and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader.

Again alluding to chess, even assuming U.S. involvement, unproven at the moment, it's a good gambit. Three of the four outcomes explored keep the U.S. out of the 'deal'. Three of the four play out without major escalation. All four begin and end with Iran's nuclear program greatly disabled.

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Nov 28, 2020 15:28:15   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
incognito wrote:
When you fight for your life there are no rules. To let Iran get nuclear capabilities is suicide for Israel and any other enemy of Iran. Israel has attacked Iranian nuclear facilities in the past, they have sabotaged their centrifuges. and killed other nuclear scientists So what if Iran attacks Israel and a few hundred soldiers die it is still worth it. Course if Carter did his job and protected the Shah of Iran we would not be in this mess. I guess you can't blame Trump for that one.


That’s dumb.
Iran would not dare mic Israel with America sitting in its corner. They know that would mean instant annihilation . Can you blame Iran which they know Israel already has nucs.

Added . In today’s world it is more Iran fighting for its life than Israel isn’t it .

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Nov 28, 2020 15:32:39   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Tex-s wrote:
I'm with others in that my knee-jerk opinion is that the U.S. did not take this action, and likely did not choose it. I'd not be shocked if the U.S. knew of the plan, but it just does not play like a U.S. strike.

If there ever exists any clear evidence on this, and if said evidence has any link at all to the U.S. , I still have to quietly applaud the move. The current administration deplores the Iran "deal" and removed the U.S. from it. Biden has frequently intimated he plans to effectively re-install the operating system of Obama.02 which the current administration and roughly half the nation also oppose. So let's calculate out a few lines, chess style:

Iran does nothing to retaliate, but refuses to re-enter the agreement and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader.

Iran retaliates in some token fashion, and Biden CAN'T re-install the agreement...and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader..

Iran does nothing, Biden does re-enter the Iran 'deal', and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader.

Iran tries to retaliate against Israel in a large way and Israel lays Tehran waste. Biden has to choose between Israel and Iran. And, oh yea, and Iran has no competent nuclear program leader.

Again alluding to chess, even assuming U.S. involvement, unproven at the moment, it's a good gambit. Three of the four outcomes explored keep the U.S. out of the 'deal'. Three of the four play out without major escalation. All four begin and end with Iran's nuclear program greatly disabled.
I'm with others in that my knee-jerk opinion is th... (show quote)



Iran wants the sanction gone( particularly in the medical arena to fight the virus) much much more that they want nucs .

Israel- with American concurrence just handed Iran a big big bargaining chip.

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Nov 28, 2020 15:44:26   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DennyT wrote:
Linda,
Don’t let anyone pivot the discussion, favorite tactic of trump supporters here.


UPDATE

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55111064



My guess is Iran will hold off till after 20 Jan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55111064

The world knows Israel do this . Who else ?

But
They want sanctions relief especially in area of humanitarian medical arena. Due to virus. They know biden wants to teen gage on them JCPOA and they now have a strong bargaining chip.
So rather than start a shooting war this may actually have strengthened Iran’s hand.
Linda, br Don’t let anyone pivot the discussion, f... (show quote)


Yeah, they are waiting for slow Joe to take office, they own the piece of him that China and Russia don't already own.

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