Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Not all the same attorneys, not all the same affidavits, are you denying that there was voter and election fraud Linda? Or are you just suggesting that there was not enough to over turn the election?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

I gave you facts to back up my theory .

And started with
“”” How about this for a conspiracy.”””
I was honest enough to call it a conspiracy in my first sentence ! How about the stolen ejection conspiracy that you call fact

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

I would think that "not all the same attorneys, not all the same affidavits" would underscore the point of lack of evidence, not dilute the idea.

Am I "denying?" Am I the one on trial here? 😋

I'll just stick to reading the judges' court orders, including their point-by-point dismissals of the pathetic little bits of "evidence" tossed together into a wilted salad. You've noticed who the lawyer is now, right? It didn't take long for respected law firms to decide their reputations and their licenses were more important than humoring a delusional president.

National Park

Those "100's of affidavits" were solicited on the web. That's some really credible evidence! Put a posting on the web and ask for affidavits claiming voter fraud and what do you expect to get from a bunch of cult members? "My brother said that he heard someone in Walmart say that he saw someone dumping ballots in the river." Trump's attorneys admitted to a court in Arizona that they didn't file many of the affidavits they received because they were so obviously false. They also said to the court that they didn't know if the ones they did file with the court were false or not, so they filed them. You call that credible evidence? Some who have claimed fraud have refused to say so when put under oath. Trump's attorneys have yet to show a single court (out of 36 court cases filed so far) that there has been "voter fraud on a massive scale." Many of these judges are Republicans, and some have been appointed by Trump. The attorneys in most of these cases have submitted no credible evidence at all, let alone evidence of "fraud on a massive scale." All they have submitted is wishful thinking and wild conspiracy theories.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

From one of the filings, remember these are sworn affidavits, they should concern you, if they don't then you are simply another partisan.

82. A lawsuit recently filed by the Great Lakes Justice Center (“GLJC”) raises similar allegations of vote fraud and irregularities that occurred in Wayne County. See Exhibit 4 (copyofcomplaintfiledintheCircuitCourtofWayneCountyinCostantino,etal.v.City of Detroit, et al.) (“GLJC Complaint”).The allegations and affidavits included in the GLJC Complaint are incorporated by reference in the body of this Complaint.

1. Election Workers Fraudulently Added “Tens of Thousands” of New Ballots and New Voters in the Early Morning and Evening November 4.

83. The most egregious example of election workers fraudulent and illegal behavior concerns two batches of new ballots brought to the TCF Center after the 8:00 PM Election Day deadline. First, at approximately 4:30 AM on November 4, 2020, poll challenger Andrew Sitto observed “tens of thousands of new ballots” being brought into the counting room, and “[u]nlike the other ballots, these boxes were brought in from the rear of the room.” Exh. 4, GLJC Complaint, Exh. C at ¶ 10. Mr. Sitto heard other Republican challengers state that “several vehicles with out-of-state license plates pulled up to the TCF Center a little before 4:30 a.m. and unloaded boxes of ballots.” Id. at ¶ 11. “All ballots sampled that I heard and observed were for Joe Biden.” Id. at ¶ 12.

84. A second set of new boxes of ballots arrived at the TCF Center around 9:00 PM on November 4, 2020. According to poll watcher Robert Cushman, contained “several thousand new ballots.” Exh. 4, GLJC Complaint, Exh. D at ¶ 5. Mr. Cushman noted that “none of the names on the new ballots were on the QVF or the Supplemental Sheets,” id. at ¶ 7, and he observed “computer operators at several counting boards manually adding the names and addresses of these thousands of ballots to the QVF system.” Id. at ¶ 8. Further, “every ballot was being fraudulently and manually entered into the [QVF], as having been born on January 1, 1990.” Id. at ¶ 15. When Mr. Cushman challenged the validity of the votes and the impossibility of each ballot having the same birthday, he “was told that this was the instruction that came down from the Wayne County Clerk’s office.” Id. at ¶ 16.
85. Perhaps the most probative evidence comes from Melissa Carone, who was “contracted to do IT work at the TCF Center for the November 3, 2020 election.” Exh. 5, ¶1. On November 4, Ms. Carrone testified that there were “two vans that pulled into the garage of the counting room, one on day shift and one on night shift.” Id. ¶8. She thought that the vans were bring food, however, she “never saw any food coming out of these vans,” and noted the coincidence that “Michigan had discovered over 100,000 more ballots – not even two hours after the last van left.” Id. Ms. Carrone witnessed this of this illegal vote dump, as well as several other violations outlined below.

2. Election Workers Forged and Fraudulently Added Voters to the Qualified Voter List.

86. Many challengers reported that when a voter was not in the poll book, the election officials would enter a new record for that voter with a birth date of January 1, 1900. Exhibit 1 (Gaicobazzi aff. ¶10; Piontek aff. ¶10; Cizmer aff. ¶8(F); Wirsing aff., p. 1; Cassin aff. ¶9; Langer aff. ¶3; Harris aff. ¶3; Brigmon aff. ¶5; Sherer aff. ¶¶10-11; Henderson aff. ¶9; Early ¶16; Klamer aff. ¶13; Shock aff. ¶8; M. Seely aff. ¶9). See also id. (Gorman aff. ¶¶23-26; Chopjian aff. ¶12; Ungar aff. ¶15; Valden aff. ¶17). Braden Gaicobazzi reported that a stack of thirty-five ballots was counted even though there was no voter record. Id. (Giacobazzi aff.¶10).

87. The GLJC Complaint alleges the Detroit Election Commission “systematically processed and counted ballots from voters whose name failed to appear in either the Qualified Voter File (QVF) or in the supplemental sheets.” Exh. 3, GLJC Complaintat 3. The GLJC Complaint provides additional witness affidavits detailing the fraudulent conduct of election workers, in particular, that of Zachary Larsen, who served as a Michigan Assistant Attorney General from 2012 through 2020 and was a certified poll challenger at the TCF Center. “Mr. Larsen reviewed the running list of scanned in ballots in the computer system, where it appeared that the voter had already been counted as having voted. An official operating the computer then appeared to assign this ballot to a different voter as he observed a completely different name that was added to the list of voters at the bottom of a running tab of processed ballots on the right side of the screen.” Id. at ¶ 16. Mr. Larsen observed this “practice of assigning names and numbers” to non-eligible voters who did not appear in either the poll book or the supplement poll book. Id. at ¶ 17. Moreover, this appeared to be the case for the majority of the voters whose ballots he personally observed being scanned. Id.

3. Changing Dates on Absentee Ballots.

88. All absentee ballots that existed were required to be inputted into the QVF system by 9:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020. This was required to be done in order to have a final list of absentee voters who returned their ballots prior to 8:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020. In order tohave enough time to process the absentee ballots, all polling locations were instructed to collect the absentee ballots from the drop-box once every hour on November 3, 2020.

89. Jessica Connarn is an attorney who was acting as a Republican challenger attheTCFCenterinWayneCounty.EXHIBIT6.JessicaConnarn’s affidavit describeshow an election pollworkertold JessicaConnarn thatthepollworker“was being told to change the date on ballots to reflect that the ballots were received on an earlier date.” Id. ¶1. Jessica Connarn also provided a photograph of a note handed to her by the poll worker in which the poll worker indicated she (the poll worker) was instructed to change the date ballots were received. See id. Jessica Connarn’s affidavit demonstrates that poll workers in Wayne County were pre-dating absent voter ballots, so that absent voter ballots received after 8:00 p.m. on Election Day could be counted.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

All I have to say is...... Russia! Russia! Russia!

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Linda,
Don’t let anyone pivot the discussion, favorite tactic of trump supporters here.


UPDATE

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55111064



My guess is Iran will hold off till after 20 Jan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55111064

The world knows Israel do this . Who else ?

But
They want sanctions relief especially in area of humanitarian medical arena. Due to virus. They know biden wants to teen gage on them JCPOA and they now have a strong bargaining chip.
So rather than start a shooting war this may actually have strengthened Iran’s hand.

National Park

[quote=Blurryeyed]From one of the filings, remember these are sworn affidavits, they should concern you, if they don't then you are simply another partisan.

82. A lawsuit recently filed by the Great Lakes Justice Center (“GLJC”) raises similar allegations of vote fraud and irregularities that occurred in Wayne County. See Exhibit 4 (copyofcomplaintfiledintheCircuitCourtofWayneCountyinCostantino,etal.v.City of Detroit, et al.) (“GLJC Complaint”).The allegations and affidavits included in the GLJC Complaint are incorporated by reference in the body of this Complaint.

1. Election Workers Fraudulently Added “Tens of Thousands” of New Ballots and New Voters in the Early Morning and Evening November 4.

83. The most egregious example of election workers fraudulent and illegal behavior concerns two batches of new ballots brought to the TCF Center after the 8:00 PM Election Day deadline. First, at approximately 4:30 AM on November 4, 2020, poll challenger Andrew Sitto observed “tens of thousands of new ballots” being brought into the counting room, and “[u]nlike the other ballots, these boxes were brought in from the rear of the room.” Exh. 4, GLJC Complaint, Exh. C at ¶ 10. Mr. Sitto heard other Republican challengers state that “several vehicles with out-of-state license plates pulled up to the TCF Center a little before 4:30 a.m. and unloaded boxes of ballots.” Id. at ¶ 11. “All ballots sampled that I heard and observed were for Joe Biden.” Id. at ¶ 12.

84. A second set of new boxes of ballots arrived at the TCF Center around 9:00 PM on November 4, 2020. According to poll watcher Robert Cushman, contained “several thousand new ballots.” Exh. 4, GLJC Complaint, Exh. D at ¶ 5. Mr. Cushman noted that “none of the names on the new ballots were on the QVF or the Supplemental Sheets,” id. at ¶ 7, and he observed “computer operators at several counting boards manually adding the names and addresses of these thousands of ballots to the QVF system.” Id. at ¶ 8. Further, “every ballot was being fraudulently and manually entered into the [QVF], as having been born on January 1, 1990.” Id. at ¶ 15. When Mr. Cushman challenged the validity of the votes and the impossibility of each ballot having the same birthday, he “was told that this was the instruction that came down from the Wayne County Clerk’s office.” Id. at ¶ 16.
85. Perhaps the most probative evidence comes from Melissa Carone, who was “contracted to do IT work at the TCF Center for the November 3, 2020 election.” Exh. 5, ¶1. On November 4, Ms. Carrone testified that there were “two vans that pulled into the garage of the counting room, one on day shift and one on night shift.” Id. ¶8. She thought that the vans were bring food, however, she “never saw any food coming out of these vans,” and noted the coincidence that “Michigan had discovered over 100,000 more ballots – not even two hours after the last van left.” Id. Ms. Carrone witnessed this of this illegal vote dump, as well as several other violations outlined below.

2. Election Workers Forged and Fraudulently Added Voters to the Qualified Voter List.

86. Many challengers reported that when a voter was not in the poll book, the election officials would enter a new record for that voter with a birth date of January 1, 1900. Exhibit 1 (Gaicobazzi aff. ¶10; Piontek aff. ¶10; Cizmer aff. ¶8(F); Wirsing aff., p. 1; Cassin aff. ¶9; Langer aff. ¶3; Harris aff. ¶3; Brigmon aff. ¶5; Sherer aff. ¶¶10-11; Henderson aff. ¶9; Early ¶16; Klamer aff. ¶13; Shock aff. ¶8; M. Seely aff. ¶9). See also id. (Gorman aff. ¶¶23-26; Chopjian aff. ¶12; Ungar aff. ¶15; Valden aff. ¶17). Braden Gaicobazzi reported that a stack of thirty-five ballots was counted even though there was no voter record. Id. (Giacobazzi aff.¶10).

87. The GLJC Complaint alleges the Detroit Election Commission “systematically processed and counted ballots from voters whose name failed to appear in either the Qualified Voter File (QVF) or in the supplemental sheets.” Exh. 3, GLJC Complaintat 3. The GLJC Complaint provides additional witness affidavits detailing the fraudulent conduct of election workers, in particular, that of Zachary Larsen, who served as a Michigan Assistant Attorney General from 2012 through 2020 and was a certified poll challenger at the TCF Center. “Mr. Larsen reviewed the running list of scanned in ballots in the computer system, where it appeared that the voter had already been counted as having voted. An official operating the computer then appeared to assign this ballot to a different voter as he observed a completely different name that was added to the list of voters at the bottom of a running tab of processed ballots on the right side of the screen.” Id. at ¶ 16. Mr. Larsen observed this “practice of assigning names and numbers” to non-eligible voters who did not appear in either the poll book or the supplement poll book. Id. at ¶ 17. Moreover, this appeared to be the case for the majority of the voters whose ballots he personally observed being scanned. Id.

3. Changing Dates on Absentee Ballots.

88. All absentee ballots that existed were required to be inputted into the QVF system by 9:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020. This was required to be done in order to have a final list of absentee voters who returned their ballots prior to 8:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020. In order tohave enough time to process the absentee ballots, all polling locations were instructed to collect the absentee ballots from the drop-box once every hour on November 3, 2020.

89. Jessica Connarn is an attorney who was acting as a Republican challenger attheTCFCenterinWayneCounty.EXHIBIT6.JessicaConnarn’s affidavit describeshow an election pollworkertold JessicaConnarn thatthepollworker“was being told to change the date on ballots to reflect that the ballots were received on an earlier date.” Id. ¶1. Jessica Connarn also provided a photograph of a note handed to her by the poll worker in which the poll worker indicated she (the poll worker) was instructed to change the date ballots were received. See id. Jessica Connarn’s affidavit demonstrates that poll workers in Wayne County were pre-dating absent voter ballots, so that absent voter ballots received after 8:00 p.m. on Election Day could be counted.[/quote]


Show me the affidavits, not the spin Trump's attorneys try to put on them. Even taking the spin at face value, much of what is in these paragraphs is inadmissible hearsay ("I heard somebody say") or speculation. Even if everything is true, is wouldn't' be nearly enough to alter the outcome of the election in Michigan. Basic election law is that you not only have to show irregularities, but that the irregularities have to be enough to alter the outcome of the election.

Many of these allegations claim that ballots arrived late and therefore should not be counted. So you think that if a ballot arrived late, through no fault of the voter, then the voter should be disenfranchised? Now that would be an opportunity for election fraud. Slow down the Post Office so mail-in ballots don't arrive on time!
Gee, I wonder who wanted to do that?

incognito

When you fight for your life there are no rules. To let Iran get nuclear capabilities is suicide for Israel and any other enemy of Iran. Israel has attacked Iranian nuclear facilities in the past, they have sabotaged their centrifuges. and killed other nuclear scientists So what if Iran attacks Israel and a few hundred soldiers die it is still worth it. Course if Carter did his job and protected the Shah of Iran we would not be in this mess. I guess you can't blame Trump for that one.

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

Trump hated that Obama participated in the Iranian nuclear deal, and hated even more when the inspectors and our intelligence agencies said that it seemed to be working. So he pulled us out of the deal - and THEN criticized Iran for not sticking to the deal - to which we were no longer a party! He knows that Biden will rejoin the Iran nuclear deal, so he wants to block any possibility of Biden doing that. No telling where else he will make war.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

If Israel wasn't founded in 1948, we wouldn't be in this mess today.

49south Loc: Bux-Mont, Pa

berchman Loc: South Central PA

On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.


1952: Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.
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The documents provided details of the CIA's plan at the time, which was led by senior officer Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. Over the course of four days in August 1953, Roosevelt would orchestrate not one, but two attempts to destabilize the government of Iran, forever changing the relationship between the country and the U.S. In this episode, we go back to retrace what happened in the inaugural episode of NPR's new history podcast, Throughline.

Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

49south Loc: Bux-Mont, Pa

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

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