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Nov 22, 2020 00:36:05   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
CWGordon wrote:
In China, Russia, Iran, N Korea, Venezuela, and the like you may well have to prove you are innocent. NOT HERE. If you are charged with murder or shoplifting or spitting on the sidewalk you are PRESUMED INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. This is jurisprudence that has been in effect for hundreds of years. The prosecution carries the BURDEN of PROOF, never the Defendant. It is easy to say “...what are you afraid of.” I am afraid of the easiness with which people want to overturn our entire system. Even in Civil Cases, the burden of proof falls on the plaintiff, never the Defendant! The level of proof in civil cases varies from a rough equivalent of 51% to higher. In criminal cases, the evidentiary burden (proof) is closer to 98 or 99 %. So far, Rudy, Sidney and all others pushing these theories have adduced 0 evidence. This is why the cases are all being dismissed. Big diffeence between alleging something and providing some evidence to support contentions. This is the American Way - like it or not.
I respect varying beliefs, but not in a Court of Law. Far more is required there.
In China, Russia, Iran, N Korea, Venezuela, and th... (show quote)


You AINT been to NO court in Oregon...

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Nov 22, 2020 03:35:12   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I won't judge the validity of the poll, but here is a link for you...

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/18/21573145/poll-trump-election-fraud-allegations-republican-voters
According to a new survey from Vox and Data for Progress, 73 percent of likely Republican voters say that the allegations of voter fraud have made them question Joe Biden’s victory, a statement that 44 percent of all likely voters agreed with as well. Similarly, 75 percent of likely Republican voters said they believed voter fraud took place during the election that benefitted Biden, something that 43 percent of likely voters overall also stated.

I did a quick Google search and there are lots of poll results on this topic. The 73% of the Vox poll is at the high end, with many others being closer to 50% (would you actually blame me for choosing the high number?).

As you northern neighbour sharing language, culture, trade, economies, resources, the world's longest undefended border, etc of course I have a keen interest in what goes on in the world's greatest democracy.

I don't care whether democrats or republicans are in power, but I do care deeply on the message your country is sending to the world. Do you not believe that what is going on right now in your country is making a mockery of western democracy? Do you not think Russia, China, DPRNK, Iran, etc are revelling in your world stage performance? It is comically tragic!!! Do you not think the rest of the free world is concerned about what could happen in their countries if Trump's behaviours are emulated by people in their governments?

Trump has undermined democracy, snubbed the rule of law, and killed truth. He has destroyed the value system that so much of the western world depended -- decency, respect, dignity, honesty, empathy,... The next 2 months can't go by quickly enough for me and many other people in many other countries. God speed, get rid of Trump, and get on with a good life with America being the leader of the free world... again.

Edit: I saw your above post that you sent while I was writing my response. Please get your head out of the sand. What goes on in the US affects the world. You cannot hide from globalism... and you should fight to lead it before someone else does. Seriously!!!!
I won't judge the validity of the poll, but here i... (show quote)


I find it odd that, once again, your evidence doesn’t support your claim.

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Nov 22, 2020 09:05:42   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
LWW wrote:
I find it odd that, once again, your evidence doesn’t support your claim.


You must be talking about trump !

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Nov 22, 2020 09:19:05   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
DennyT wrote:
Maybe maybe not


Michigan group sues Trump campaign for alleged mass voter suppression


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526997-michigan-group-sues-trump-campaign-for-alleged-mass-voter-suppression


Being sued does not mean you have committed a crime.

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Nov 22, 2020 09:31:57   #
FrumCA
 
DennyT wrote:
Maybe maybe not


Michigan group sues Trump campaign for alleged mass voter suppression


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526997-michigan-group-sues-trump-campaign-for-alleged-mass-voter-suppression

There's a word for this...frivolous.

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Nov 22, 2020 09:50:34   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Papakat45z said

Being sued does not mean you have committed a crime.


FrumCa said

There's a word for this...frivolous.



Talking about trump law suits

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Nov 22, 2020 10:55:52   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
Kraken wrote:
Every country in the world has a dog in the fight, don't be so damn self-centered and dense.


And it is ignorant insulting comments like this that makes me abstain from the 'attic'~

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Nov 22, 2020 11:35:05   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Jakebrake wrote:
And it is ignorant insulting comments like this that makes me abstain from the 'attic'~


Just because I am one of those polite Canadians doesn't mean I won't dish out as good as I get.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:43:05   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
DennyT wrote:
Papakat45z said

Being sued does not mean you have committed a crime.


FrumCa said

There's a word for this...frivolous.



Talking about trump law suits


Let's let the Supreme Court call these suits frivolous. Do you expect anyone to believe the mainstream media anymore?

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Nov 22, 2020 12:55:27   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Let's let the Supreme Court call these suits frivolous. Do you expect anyone to believe the mainstream media anymore?


Fine ! If any warrant a path to the Supreme Court. I have full faith in the court.. I hope you aren’t holding you breath. So far none have even come close .

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Nov 22, 2020 13:12:50   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
DennyT wrote:
Fine ! If any warrant a path to the Supreme Court. I have full faith in the court.. I hope you aren’t holding you breath. So far none have even come close .


Clearly Trump's plan has been to sue sue sue until the cows come home... or until the law suits make it to the SCOTUS. And THAT is why it was so important to get Amy Coney Barrett confirmed so quickly!!!!!! But even Brett Kavanaugh has shown some balls to stand up to Trump's frivolous law suits.

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Nov 22, 2020 13:18:34   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Clearly Trump's plan has been to sue sue sue until the cows come home... or until the law suits make it to the SCOTUS. And THAT is why it was so important to get Amy Coney Barrett confirmed so quickly!!!!!! But even Brett Kavanaugh has shown some balls to stand up to Trump's frivolous law suits.


Not interested in free and fair elections as long as your side shows a win?

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Nov 22, 2020 13:43:20   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Not interested in free and fair elections as long as your side shows a win?


I am absolutely interested in free and fair elections, and I don't care which side wins... as long as Trump is not the winner. I have said innumerable times that if a decent person were on the Republican ticket I would not likely even be posting about US politics.

And if Trump AND the Republicans at large were interested in a FAIR election they would not be coming up with BS legal arguments that are being tossed/laughed out of the courts almost before they get in (the judges are getting tired of the charade).

What is it with Republicans that they don't see the nonsense that is going on? There is nothing credible with Giuliani's bluster, and the entire GOP is being tarnished by a man who cares nothing about America, the people, the culture, The Constitution, law and order,... he cares ONLY about HIMSELF!!!!!

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Nov 22, 2020 14:10:10   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Clearly Trump's plan has been to sue sue sue until the cows come home... or until the law suits make it to the SCOTUS. And THAT is why it was so important to get Amy Coney Barrett confirmed so quickly!!!!!! But even Brett Kavanaugh has shown some balls to stand up to Trump's frivolous law suits.


Clearly, Trump is not a politician but a NYC street fighter, who hates to lose which pisses you libs off to no extent. As I have previously stated I wish Trump would concede and let the Harris/Biden Administration run the country with their far left socialist agenda.

I firmly believe Slo Joe is a weak man, not to say he is bad as I think deep down he has a good heart, however he is weak and will be manipulated by the crazy loon leftoids like the loasome Fosome, (AKA 'The Squad), Pocahontas, Crazy Bernie, and especially the socialist Kamala. I predict a sad time during the next 4 years for the United States of America~

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Nov 22, 2020 14:11:56   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Clearly Trump's plan has been to sue sue sue until the cows come home... or until the law suits make it to the SCOTUS. And THAT is why it was so important to get Amy Coney Barrett confirmed so quickly!!!!!! But even Brett Kavanaugh has shown some balls to stand up to Trump's frivolous law suits.


And why not? The democrats cheat, cheat, cheat until the cows come home.

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