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Nov 21, 2020 10:59:29   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dpullum wrote:
Kmgw9v should be band from UHH Attic, he knows how to think and express it in writing, forebidden. An alternative would be to have a "The Morgue" section for trump people only. There they could discuss dead issues without being bothered by truth and clarity.


Blah, Blah, Blah! How's that for expression?

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Nov 21, 2020 11:07:10   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Wake up to what Trump is doing. He has told the world that the U.S. election process is corrupt; and he is attempting to affirm that by stealing the election away from those that legally voted on November 3.
America made a decision on November 3; and there is no credible evidence that the decision was improper or tainted. Remember Chris Krebs, and remember Trump’s history of mendacity.


If a democrat is involved, it is compromised. When people who believe that there is no absolute right or wrong, only shades of grey, and use this belief ti justify anything that furthers that what pleases them, what else would one expect.

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Nov 21, 2020 11:07:51   #
CWGordon
 
Blurryeyed: You do need to read the Mueller Report. There was plenty of evidence. You keep saying the same things over and over, without reading the document containing the evidence you demand. It is there, read it. Barr misled the nation with his statements made before the report was released. It has caused immeasurable confusion and consternation to those who have not chosen to read the Report or whom have not had the opportunity or time.
Please read it. It may change your mind about a lot of things.

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Nov 21, 2020 11:08:29   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"President Trump is using the power of his office to try to reverse the results of the election, orchestrating a far-reaching pressure campaign to persuade Republican officials in Michigan, Georgia and elsewhere to overturn the will of voters in what critics decried Thursday as an unprecedented subversion of democracy.
After courts rejected the Trump campaign’s baseless allegations of widespread voter fraud, the president is now trying to remain in power with a wholesale assault on the integrity of the vote by spreading misinformation and trying to persuade loyal Republicans to manipulate the electoral system on his behalf.
In an extraordinary news conference Thursday at the Republican National Committee headquarters, Trump’s attorneys claimed without evidence there was a centralized conspiracy with roots in Venezuela to rig the U.S. presidential election. They alleged voter fraud in Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and other cities whose municipal governments are controlled by Democrats and where President-elect Joe Biden won by large margins.
Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani alongside a map showing four key states in red during a news conference Thursday at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington.
Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani alongside a map showing four key states in red during a news conference Thursday at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington. (Sarah Silbiger/for The Washington Post)
“We cannot allow these crooks — ’cause that’s what they are — to steal an election from the American people,” said one of the attorneys, Rudolph W. Giuliani. “They elected Donald Trump; they didn’t elect Joe Biden. Joe Biden is in the lead because of the fraudulent ballots, the illegal ballots that were produced and that were allowed to be used after the election was over. Give us an opportunity to prove it in court and we will.”


Neither Giuliani nor other Trump attorneys have furnished evidence to support that or any other claim of widespread fraud.
Thursday’s show by Trump’s lawyers disquieted many, including Christopher Krebs, the Trump-appointed director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency whom the president fired Tuesday after he stated publicly that the election had been secure.
“That press conference was the most dangerous 1hr 45 minutes of television in American history. And possibly the craziest,” Krebs wrote on Twitter.
On Capitol Hill, senior Democrats ratcheted up their rhetoric. “I think this borders on treason,” said House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.). “He is undermining the very essence of democracy, which is: You go to the poll, you vote and the people decide. There’s no doubt that the people decided.”
President Trump speaks about Operation Warp Speed last week in the Rose Garden at the White House.
President Trump speaks about Operation Warp Speed last week in the Rose Garden at the White House. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), the 2012 GOP presidential nominee and a prominent Trump critic, decried the strategy.


“Having failed to make even a plausible case of widespread fraud or conspiracy before any court of law, the President has now resorted to overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election,” Romney said in a statement late Thursday. “It is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic act by a sitting American President.”
In defiance of the vote, Trump and his lawyers are scrambling to stop key states from certifying their results and to enlist Republican state officials to overturn Biden’s wins by seating Trump electors to the electoral college.
Biden’s team expressed confidence Thursday that Trump’s intensifying effort to keep power would fail.
“None of it is legally significant,” said Bob Bauer, a senior adviser to the Biden campaign, who runs the election protection legal efforts. “They are pivoting from this completely failed litigation strategy to a strategy of misleading people into believing that he now has a political option. It is a response to failure. It is the last card that he thinks he can pull from his deck here, but his hand remains a completely losing hand.”

But other Democrats voiced more concern about the threat of Trump’s moves.
“Other people looked at me like I was insane, but I have fully anticipated that Donald Trump would try every trick in the book,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.). “The kind of stuff that’s being done now is undermining people’s confidence in the election process and the integrity of the election and it is fundamentally attacking the roots of our democracy, and it is unacceptable.”
Trump’s focus for the moment is centered on Michigan, where Biden is the projected winner and leads by about 157,000 votes. The president earlier this week called a Republican member of Wayne County’s Board of Canvassers, after which she attempted to rescind her vote to certify Biden’s win in Wayne, which is where Detroit is located and is the state’s most populous county.

Trump then invited the leaders of Michigan’s Republican-controlled state Senate and House to meet him Friday at the White House ahead of next Monday’s state canvassing board meeting to certify results.
The president’s allies have said that if the board deadlocks, the legislature could choose to ignore Biden’s popular-vote win and seat Trump electors. But experts say such a move would be on shaky legal ground. And multiple election lawyers have said that scenario is unlikely for several reasons. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, has the power to fire members of the canvassing board and appoint interim replacements without legislative approval. And Democrats are highly likely to file suit in the event the board deadlocks, because state law directs the board to follow the popular vote in its decision to certify.
“I can’t tell you all the different actions [Republicans] are contemplating, but I implore people to put country over party and do the will of the people — respect the law, and see through that the will of the people is reflected in our electors and not play games with this fundamental part of our democracy,” Whitmer said at a news conference Thursday.

In Georgia and Pennsylvania, where Republicans also control the state legislatures, officials said Trump’s ploy stood little chance of success.
A top adviser to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) said there is “zero” chance the secretary would take a phone call from the president or his advisers. Raffensperger is expected to certify the statewide result Friday, as required by law. The certification then goes to Gov. Brian Kemp, another Republican, for his signature.
Kemp told reporters last week that he was glad Raffensperger ordered the hand-counted audit of the presidential vote. “Let’s let that happen and let the chips fall where they may,” he said.
Yet Trump has for the past several days been publicly badgering Kemp to intervene in the recount to reject ballots and “flip” the result, which currently has Biden winning by 12,284 votes. “Republicans must get tough!” Trump tweeted at Kemp on Thursday morning. Privately, Trump has told advisers he is furious with the governor for not doing more to overturn the outcome.
Trump also is consulting with advisers about how he might get Wisconsin ballots discarded, and his lawyers say they believe he has a relatively strong case in Dane and Milwaukee counties because of how officials there conducted absentee balloting. They have offered no evidence to bolster their case.

These are the words and actions of an attempted coup, according to historians and other experts.
“We have never seen anything like this before,” historian and author Michael Beschloss said. “This is a president abusing his very great powers to try to stay in office, even though it is obvious to everyone that he has been defeated in the polls. That is a prospect that terrified most of the founders.”
Beschloss added, “I don’t want to be alarmist, but I do think it’s our job as citizens to keep watch on every one of these things with an eye to that ultimate dread of the founders, which is that a president rejected by the voters would use his powers to try to stay in office anyway.”
The latest evolution in the Trump strategy came into view Thursday at RNC headquarters, where Giuliani and campaign attorneys Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell presented their argument for widespread fraud but provided no evidence.

Powell argued that the voting systems used in many states, including those manufactured by Dominion Voting Systems, use software “created in Venezuela at the direction of Hugo Chávez to make sure he never lost an election.”
The conspiracy theory that machines by Dominion, a Colorado-based manufacturer, were programmed to rig the election has spread widely on right-wing websites and social media and has become an obsession of Trump’s in recent days. A Republican who has spoken with the president said he has been telling his team that votes should be thrown out in any state, such as Georgia, where Dominion machines were used.
There is no evidence to support this theory, however.
The Trump campaign did not raise objections to Dominion equipment or software before the Nov. 3 election. And the company’s products are certified for use in states that Trump won, including Utah and Florida.

In addition, Giuliani and Powell’s claims have been disproved in Georgia, where the state’s hand recount of nearly 5 million paper ballots affirmed that the Dominion scanners accurately counted the vote, state officials said.
Ellis swatted away questions from reporters asking for evidence of the massive fraud that she, Powell and Giuliani claimed, saying they would produce it later.
Trump was said to be enthused about the news conference and asked allies to watch it, a White House official said. The event seemed at times farcical, with streaks of what appeared to be black hair dye mixed with sweat dripping down the sides of Giuliani’s face as he spoke.
Giuliani has assumed control of the president’s strategy, which is in part to build a public-relations case on television that amps up political pressure on Republican officials in key states to make decisions more amenable to Trump, according to two campaign officials. The president grew frustrated last weekend with his campaign lawyers after Giuliani told him they were lying to him and minimizing his chances of victory. He also said they were not appearing on TV frequently enough.
At first, officials said, Trump seemed rather deflated with the election results and only going through the motions of a legal fight. But his attitude changed in recent days. Although Trump has long vacillated on Giuliani, he has been buoyed by the former New York mayor’s energy — and, after so many other advisers told him he was unlikely to win a second term, by Giuliani’s proclamations that he just might, two campaign advisers said. They, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
But not everyone in the president’s orbit shares his enthusiasm. One senior White House official, asked for comment about Giuliani, let out a long laugh. Some advisers think Giuliani sees this ongoing effort as a way to make money and remain relevant.
Some of Trump’s most valued lawyers — including White House counsel Pat Cipollone and private attorneys Jay Sekulow and Jane and Marty Raskin — have not played large roles in this post-election fight, while former Florida attorney general Pam Bondi, a public face for the effort in the early days, has all but disappeared.
Trump campaign lawyers Justin Clark and Matt Morgan were not at Thursday’s news conference and were not part of the Giuliani discussions. “They’ve been totally cut out,” a senior campaign official said.
Clark and campaign manager Bill Stepien were said to be at headquarters Thursday and aides were winding down the operation, dealing with contracts and offboarding hundreds of employees.
Also not present was RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, who was in Michigan. The RNC granted Giuliani’s request to use its building after officials there were informed by the president that Giuliani was in charge of all efforts, an official said.
Giuliani did not respond to multiple requests seeking comment.
Election law experts said the clock is ticking on Trump, as states will soon certify their results."


Mike DeBonis, Michael Scherer and Matt Viser contributed to this report.
"President Trump is using the power of his of... (show quote)


Which means that they are as lopsided and dishonest as you.

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Nov 21, 2020 11:13:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
CWGordon wrote:
Blurryeyed: You do need to read the Mueller Report. There was plenty of evidence. You keep saying the same things over and over, without reading the document containing the evidence you demand. It is there, read it. Barr misled the nation with his statements made before the report was released. It has caused immeasurable confusion and consternation to those who have not chosen to read the Report or whom have not had the opportunity or time.
Please read it. It may change your mind about a lot of things.
Blurryeyed: You do need to read the Mueller Repor... (show quote)


I read the document... It was a big nothing burger, they could have prosecuted Comey and McCabe because they would have had stronger grounds for those prosecutions. The so called obstruction claims are laughable on their face, those charges would never hold water in a court of law.

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Nov 21, 2020 11:58:25   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I read the document... It was a big nothing burger, they could have prosecuted Comey and McCabe because they would have had stronger grounds for those prosecutions. The so called obstruction claims are laughable on their face, those charges would never hold water in a court of law.


On Friday, SCOTUS accepted the Democrat request to delay their petition to reveal the redacted parts of the Mueller report. They and the Republicans agreed to a postponement until after the inauguration.

As for a "nothing burger", 32 individuals and 3 Russian businesses were indicted. One of the individuals indicted was Roger Stone who was tried, convicted, sentenced and pardoned.

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Nov 21, 2020 12:02:40   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I read the document... It was a big nothing burger, they could have prosecuted Comey and McCabe because they would have had stronger grounds for those prosecutions. The so called obstruction claims are laughable on their face, those charges would never hold water in a court of law.


Blurry, I think you read the document with blurry eyes. You do state that the obstruction claims are laughable, so at least you acknowledge that they exist. IF the new administration decides to pursue those claims we will surely address this topic again.

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Nov 21, 2020 12:33:44   #
CWGordon
 
Blurryeyed: If you read the report, really, you would know the evidence was there. Look at the numbers Duketarheel provided. Evidently, there was ample evidence; not laughable, at all, to pursue all these other cases. Makes you wonder how all of those folks could get in legal trouble if the OTHER GUY was not somehow involved. We may not have proof beyond a reasonable doubt established. However, it is clear the evidence is not laughable.

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Nov 21, 2020 13:27:01   #
redlegfrog
 
DennyT wrote:
The only person trying to “ steal” this election. Is trump !!!


Its so funny to hear a lefty liberal say "lets be honest!"

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Nov 21, 2020 14:06:38   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
JohnFrim wrote:
This post. along with your previous on the subject, are clear, concise, and convincing... to those who can read, absorb and comprehend. Regrettably, some 75% of Republicans don't exhibit those characteristics. They have already, in their minds, had the trial where they played prosecutor, judge and jury.


Oh come on Canuck. Once every 2000 posts I can agree with you. 75% of the GOP isn't ignorant. However that being said, considering Georgia certifying the election for Biden I simply don't see a path to victory for Trump and wish the partisan sniping, hyperbolic, sniveling & whining by both sides cease and wish , being an ardent Trump supporter, the man would concede, and let Slow Joe and the Ho (I wonder if she let's him sniff her hair daily) have their turn at running my country.

I believe Biden is a weak men, not say he is bad, simply weak and will be led by the likes of Pocahontas, Crazy Bernie, Kamila & the "Loathsome Fosome". (AKA The Squad) It certainly will be interesting in 2022 & 2024 after what the Kamala/Biden Administration enacts during their reign~

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Nov 21, 2020 14:13:36   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Oh come on Canuck. Once every 2000 posts I can agree with you. 75% of the GOP isn't ignorant. However that being said, considering Georgia certifying the election for Biden I simply don't see a path to victory for Trump and wish the partisan sniping, hyperbolic, sniveling & whining by both sides cease and wish , being an ardent Trump supporter, the man would concede, and let Slow Joe and the Ho (I wonder if she let's him sniff her hair daily) have their turn at running my country.

I believe Biden is a weak men, not say he is bad, simply weak and will be led by the likes of Pocahontas, Crazy Bernie, Kamila & the "Loathsome Fosome". (AKA The Squad) It certainly will be interesting in 2022 & 2024 after what the Kamala/Biden Administration enacts during their reign~
Oh come on Canuck. Once every 2000 posts I can ag... (show quote)


Jake, I didn't pull that number from my nether-regions. It is a poll result that I heard. "It is what it is."

I agree with you that 2022 and 2024 will be most interesting. I am particularly curious to know if Trump will make another attempt at the presidency, thereby effectively blocking the chance for the GOP to put up a decent person.

You say you are a Trump supporter, but many on here "support" Trump despite not holding him in high regard; it's more a party loyalty or anti-Biden thing than a true love and respect for Trump. How about you?

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Nov 21, 2020 14:45:48   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Jake, I didn't pull that number from my nether-regions. It is a poll result that I heard. "It is what it is."

I agree with you that 2022 and 2024 will be most interesting. I am particularly curious to know if Trump will make another attempt at the presidency, thereby effectively blocking the chance for the GOP to put up a decent person.

You say you are a Trump supporter, but many on here "support" Trump despite not holding him in high regard; it's more a party loyalty or anti-Biden thing than a true love and respect for Trump. How about you?
Jake, I didn't pull that number from my nether-reg... (show quote)


Ah John. do you have a reputable link to that poll number, or just something you heard? Not to be contentious but I did state 'reputable'.

Again John, I have no idea if Trump will run again. I'm not a mind reader and if it's not him, I will support the candidate. That's what Patriotic Loving Americans Do.

I love the way you folks from a foreign country and have the temerity to denigrate our President, Government and way of life. Nothing to do with Slow Joe & the Ho, he's just a weak man. It is indeed going going to be interesting in MY Country for the next 4 years. How about yours?

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Nov 21, 2020 14:50:40   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Ah John. do you have a reputable link to that poll number, or just something you heard? Not to be contentious but I did state 'reputable'.

Again John, I have no idea if Trump will run again. I'm not a mind reader and if it's not him, I will support the candidate. That's what Patriotic Loving Americans Do.

I love the way you folks from a foreign country and have the temerity to denigrate our President, Government and way of life. Nothing to do with Slow Joe & the Ho, he's just a weak man. It is indeed going going to be interesting in MY Country for the next 4 years. How about yours?
Ah John. do you have a reputable link to that poll... (show quote)


First Jake, thank you for your service in defense of the America we each love.

I wish people, not just you, would not denigrate the postings of non-Americans. I think it is helpful to see our United States through the eyes of others who have "no dog in the fight". They are helpful in that they are typically less biased yet are truly interested in what we, as a superpower, believe in.

Happy and healthy holidays to you and all you love.

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Nov 21, 2020 14:53:06   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Rose42 wrote:
We’ll see.


yes, we will see which prison Donnie ends up in.

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Nov 21, 2020 15:02:38   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Bill 45 wrote:
IT OVER! Moron the First better stop what he is doing. He keep pushing it , he could end up being charge with pushing for the use of force to overthrown the election. Not going to jail for not paying back taxes, but could end up with a needle in his arm.

Take a walk. Take a valium. Take a drink. Take a toke. Take SOMETHING. Your TDS is destroying your sanity.

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