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Sep 13, 2020 10:34:09   #
Morry Loc: Palm Springs, CA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Interesting that everyone is going on the premise that there are no restaurants in the US that may pay their servers decently.


I'm sure that there are a few restaurants that choose to pay a living wage with no tips allowed. But I doubt that there are many and the real fact seems to be that this "truthful information" is very hard to get.

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Sep 13, 2020 10:36:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Morry wrote:
I'm sure that there are a few restaurants that choose to pay a living wage with no tips allowed. But I doubt that there are many and the real fact seems to be that this "truthful information" is very hard to get.

I'm sure that there are places that pay a decent wage AND allow tips.

Yup, hearsay is cheap and requires no research.

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Sep 13, 2020 10:51:51   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiters & waitresses, is customary. Your country may vary. My wife and I typically go to a restaurant once or twice a week (even in the age of CORONA). We typically tip 15% or maybe a bit more if the food/service is excellent.

What we've found is a sort of SCAM at many of the restaurants we patronize. The SUBTOTAL is the price of food and drink, and that's what the tip should be based upon. The government tacks on its pound of flesh in the form of 8 1/2% tax in our county. But what the restaurants are doing is adding the SUBTOTAL and the Tax, then using their math to calculate the tip on that. I don't begrudge the government for adding tax, but to pay a tip on that tax is just unconscionable.

In the example, the left side restaurant does their math "for your convenience." My, how convenient is that! For the restaurant on the right side you pay before you sit down, with a screen where you push a button for 15% or 18% or 20% or No Tip. When you push the button for 15% as I did, guess what...they base that tip calculation on Subtotal plus Tax, all unbeknownst to the patron. Not too cool!

So, going forward I will pay now with cash and with the appropriate tip added.
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiter... (show quote)


You’re heartless. It is a difficult job, and most of these people have been out of work for a prolonged period of time to the COVID-19 . I do the opposite, I tip more than 20% if the service has been at least good. I’ll continue to do this for a while because these people need help. If you can afford going out to eat once or twice a week you could afford give them a little extra as a tip. 15% is cheap.

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Sep 13, 2020 10:56:55   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
In Europe the tip is added to the price. So every one MUST pay the tip.

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Sep 13, 2020 10:59:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Morry wrote:
A simple answer but hard to apply is to get restaurant employers to pay a living wage. Yes . . . it is being done in many major parts of the world.


Laws tend to favor businesses more than workers. I worked at a tourist place in NH for a couple of summers, and they didn't have to pay overtime.

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Sep 13, 2020 12:03:51   #
lehighjack Loc: somewhere in FL
 
Morry wrote:
A simple answer but hard to apply is to get restaurant employers to pay a living wage. Yes . . . it is being done in many major parts of the world.


I believe that most are missing the point! When one, performing tasks is rewarded quickly with the completion of these tasks, based on not just doing the minimum, but surpassing that, the recipient(s) of these tasks determine the reward, hopefully, not just on rote, but on excellence of service.

In the Mortgage industry, most Banks and S & Ls have Salary mortgage officers who are paid salaries and if they do a good job, they get to keep it. a good job is usually, making the least risky loans or the most remunerative loans for the institution. There is an incentive, but...

Going though a Mortgage Broker, who is paid on loan completions and number of loans completed. If they hide "bad" borrowers (almost impossible) they get caught and out of a job. ONTOH, they have every incentive to assist the perspective borrower jump over hurdles to complete the loan. Most often home mortgage loans from Brokers have lower rates and slightly lower closing costs than Bank Andean S & L mortgages. When a worker has more incentive than just keeping a job, every one benefits. The best example is the freaking VA not helping my fellow Veterans. Those Federal workers hid malfeasance and misfeasance on a regular basis and received their wages anyway. That is until the Executive branch of Government stepped in. That is what happens when there are "guaranteed" wages and jobs.

"Living Wage" is a misnomer, remember that it is better having a rising tide than a whirlpool sinking the ships. (Pardon my messed up saying) BTW, it doesn't hurt to be polite and smile to those one crosses in day to day life, for Nurses and cashiers and bank tellers, a "thank you" and a smile is a ttip.

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Sep 13, 2020 12:06:18   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
We can go into this blog as deep as you want BUT, just pay them a decent tip. 20%or +

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Sep 13, 2020 12:10:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Picture Taker wrote:
We can go into this blog as deep as you want BUT, just pay them a decent tip. 20%or +


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Sep 13, 2020 14:32:59   #
Wmetcalf Loc: Rogersville, Mo
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiters & waitresses, is customary. Your country may vary. My wife and I typically go to a restaurant once or twice a week (even in the age of CORONA). We typically tip 15% or maybe a bit more if the food/service is excellent.

What we've found is a sort of SCAM at many of the restaurants we patronize. The SUBTOTAL is the price of food and drink, and that's what the tip should be based upon. The government tacks on its pound of flesh in the form of 8 1/2% tax in our county. But what the restaurants are doing is adding the SUBTOTAL and the Tax, then using their math to calculate the tip on that. I don't begrudge the government for adding tax, but to pay a tip on that tax is just unconscionable.

In the example, the left side restaurant does their math "for your convenience." My, how convenient is that! For the restaurant on the right side you pay before you sit down, with a screen where you push a button for 15% or 18% or 20% or No Tip. When you push the button for 15% as I did, guess what...they base that tip calculation on Subtotal plus Tax, all unbeknownst to the patron. Not too cool!

So, going forward I will pay now with cash and with the appropriate tip added.
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiter... (show quote)

I don’t tip by the cost of food, I tip by the service.

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Sep 13, 2020 14:54:14   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Wmetcalf wrote:
I don’t tip by the cost of food, I tip by the service.

The same good service in a Ma & Pa restaurant and in a high-end restaurant get the same good tip?

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Sep 13, 2020 15:00:52   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Longshadow wrote:
The same good service in a Ma & Pa restaurant and in a high-end restaurant get the same good tip?


That would be OK if he is leaving a tip appropriate for the high end restaurant at both, but I doubt that is the case.

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Sep 13, 2020 15:03:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
That would be OK if he is leaving a tip appropriate for the high end restaurant at both, but I doubt that is the case.


Appropriate is the key operator.

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Sep 14, 2020 00:35:53   #
Morry Loc: Palm Springs, CA
 
Picture Taker wrote:
In Europe the tip is added to the price. So every one MUST pay the tip.


An interesting article written by Consumers Reports in 2018 is:
Is It Time To Rethink The Rules Of Tipping. This article (on the internet) covers every aspect of this interesting thread about tipping.

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Sep 14, 2020 04:01:46   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiters & waitresses, is customary. Your country may vary. My wife and I typically go to a restaurant once or twice a week (even in the age of CORONA). We typically tip 15% or maybe a bit more if the food/service is excellent.

What we've found is a sort of SCAM at many of the restaurants we patronize. The SUBTOTAL is the price of food and drink, and that's what the tip should be based upon. The government tacks on its pound of flesh in the form of 8 1/2% tax in our county. But what the restaurants are doing is adding the SUBTOTAL and the Tax, then using their math to calculate the tip on that. I don't begrudge the government for adding tax, but to pay a tip on that tax is just unconscionable.

In the example, the left side restaurant does their math "for your convenience." My, how convenient is that! For the restaurant on the right side you pay before you sit down, with a screen where you push a button for 15% or 18% or 20% or No Tip. When you push the button for 15% as I did, guess what...they base that tip calculation on Subtotal plus Tax, all unbeknownst to the patron. Not too cool!

So, going forward I will pay now with cash and with the appropriate tip added.
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiter... (show quote)


So you don't mind the state taking an additional 8% sales tax after they have taken you for state, federal and city income tax, property tax, FICA tax, MEDICARE tax, SS tax, excise tax and all of the embedded taxes in everything that we buy ... but the extra $0.25 the person actually doing the work gets on the $1.68 sales tax is 'just unconscionable' even though that $0.25 is given voluntarily while all the rest is done under the threat of imprisonment?

And it 'all unbeknownst to the patron' even though it is clearly printed on the bill?

Sorry, I can't see your logic here.

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Sep 14, 2020 05:20:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
lehighjack wrote:
I believe that most are missing the point! When one, performing tasks is rewarded quickly with the completion of these tasks, based on not just doing the minimum, but surpassing that, the recipient(s) of these tasks determine the reward, hopefully, not just on rote, but on excellence of service.

In the Mortgage industry, most Banks and S & Ls have Salary mortgage officers who are paid salaries and if they do a good job, they get to keep it. a good job is usually, making the least risky loans or the most remunerative loans for the institution. There is an incentive, but...

Going though a Mortgage Broker, who is paid on loan completions and number of loans completed. If they hide "bad" borrowers (almost impossible) they get caught and out of a job. ONTOH, they have every incentive to assist the perspective borrower jump over hurdles to complete the loan. Most often home mortgage loans from Brokers have lower rates and slightly lower closing costs than Bank Andean S & L mortgages. When a worker has more incentive than just keeping a job, every one benefits. The best example is the freaking VA not helping my fellow Veterans. Those Federal workers hid malfeasance and misfeasance on a regular basis and received their wages anyway. That is until the Executive branch of Government stepped in. That is what happens when there are "guaranteed" wages and jobs.

"Living Wage" is a misnomer, remember that it is better having a rising tide than a whirlpool sinking the ships. (Pardon my messed up saying) BTW, it doesn't hurt to be polite and smile to those one crosses in day to day life, for Nurses and cashiers and bank tellers, a "thank you" and a smile is a tip.
I believe that most are missing the point! When on... (show quote)


Good points. You might also compare tipping to multi-million dollar bonuses given to CEOs and wall Street workers.

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