Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

There's a little issue with Covid at present.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

So what is the excuse for the first three years before covid?

drainbamage

The answer is RINOS. Most notably, John McCain...but there were 25 of them at the time.

Though it was a Republican held Congress, Trump could not get a single bill on healthcare (and there were three of them - a fourth bill didn't make it to Congress to be voted on) to pass through Congress since he was elected. The last one was called the Graham-Cassidy bill. I posted above on page 1 of this thread what happened with that bill...if you want to know what happened when Trump tried to pass bills, read that.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Yeah we know what happen. Why be cause it was a repeal only bill in all cases.

No once I repeat not one replacement healthcare plan has ever been put forward.
So blaming McCain is correct in that he stopped a bill that would only have killed the ACA.
But it was not a replacement plan that has been long promised and never delivered.

Revivionist history or just out and out lie. There has never been a replacement bill. All the republicans have tried us repeal never replace with anything

drainbamage

Hellooooo. You talk as if you never heard "repeal and replace". It was a major platform of the Republicans. You don't like it - you disagree...so what? It's not something that's a deep dark dirty secret that just came to light!

Democrats have made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they will not work with Republicans......on anything! Of COURSE there hasn't been a bill. Do you really think Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer would ever work WITH Trump on anything? That's why things are at a standstill right now with healthcare. People do not like paying $5,000 a year on premiums. They don't like having a $7,000 deductible. And those figures are going UP, not down - because no one wants (or can afford) the Unaffordable Care Act, aka: Obamacare.

Now listen closely, it's not hard to understand: Democrats will NOT work with Trump. Period. Let that sink in before you blame President Trump. One thing Trump is not guilty of is NOT trying to work on a better health care bill than the disaster Obamacare. The Dems just won't deal with it with him.

Trump was one vote away from passing a bill. McCain rode in on his high horse and with a big smirk on his face and then with a great show and fanfare, put both thumbs down. ONE VOTE was needed. And because of his hatred of Trump, and not because he cared about healthcare for Americans, he, as you put it yourself, killed the bill. I'm not "blaming" McCain for anything. He voted the bill down single handedly all on his lonesome.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Wrong. Wrong wrong

The bill that was voted down was the basically repeal only. The “replace “ companion bill was never put up .
McCain hated Obama care because it rammed through Congress. The republican led senate was trying to do the same thing with a skinnied down bill that did nothing more than repeal but nothing to replace.

McCain said;

I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of Obamacare was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict party-line basis without a single Republican vote,” McCain said in a statement after his stunning vote.

“We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of the aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people,” he said. “We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”

To date there has never been a replacement plan !!!

https://www.npr.org/2017/07/27/539907467/senate-careens-toward-high-drama-midnight-health-care-vote

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

C u in November

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Bring cleaning products, the place will be awash in orange bronzer.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Nah I will bring the condiments for the crow you will be eating

drainbamage

Sure...McCain knew better than everyone else in Congress what the right thing to do was. His speech on how to do it the "correct" way, was just another one of his ego-infested blathering rants! If he really wanted to "do the hard work" that was necessary, he would have voted to pass the damned bill so that it could be worked on by BOTH parties.

McCain was a good liar. He could embellish his actions with all the "good intentions" he could think of, but the real reason....one you will never admit to....is that he hated Trump. He might as well have just stood up and said "F@&# YOU" to Trump instead of all those empty words, because that is really what his action amounted to.

This discussion will go nowhere. I believe what I feel is the truth of the matter, and you believe your truths. There's no need to try to take it anywhere else, because there's nowhere for it to go.

Have a nice Wednesday.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

A lot of words but the point is there has never been a new healthcare plan from trump despite repeated promises. More lies.

drainbamage

Yes, Trump did not implement a new healthcare plan - but it is not because he didn't try to - THREE times.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Where did you read that or are you just making it up?

drainbamage

There are many many places where this is recorded for historical reasons. Here's one of the many :

On March 6, 2017 House Republicans announced their replacement for the ACA, the American Health Care Act. The bill was withdrawn on March 24, 2017 after it was certain that the House would fail to garner enough votes to pass it.

On May 4, 2017, the United States House of Representatives voted to pass the American Health Care Act (and thereby repeal most of the Affordable Care Act) by a narrow margin of 217 to 213, sending the bill to the Senate for deliberation. The Senate indicated they would write their own version of the bill, instead of voting on the House version. On June 22, the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 was unveiled.

On July 27, 2017, the Health Care Freedom Act, also known as the "skinny repeal", was introduced. This bill was defeated 49–51, with Republican senators Susan Collins, John McCain, and Lisa Murkowski voting against it along with all the Democrats and independents.

On September 13, 2017, an amendment to the American Health Care Act, commonly known as Graham-Cassidy, was submitted. The bill was sponsored by Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, with Bill Cassidy of Louisiana as a co-sponsor. A spokesman for the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said that a vote was planned to occur before September 30th, which was the deadline to pass bills under budget reconciliation Rand Paul and John McCain indicated that they would vote against the bill. Ultimately, McConnell announced on September 26th that the Senate would not vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

steve03 Loc: long Lsland

That was three years ago (when the GOP had control of both houses) and he has has done nothing since, except make promises. He lied to the American public this past Aug,3 and has not produced a wonderful, beautiful new healthcare plan and that was the whole point of this topic.