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Sep 1, 2020 11:46:21   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Najataagihe wrote:
You don't need inductive coils to produce a magnetic field.

All you need is electricity flowing through a conductor.


Putting anything electronic next to an active high-amperage DC circuit is just asking for trouble.

Put your camera on the back seat.

Your problems, if caused by the car, should disappear.



I was thinking cable running to front motor(s). It may not be the magnetic field per se but rather induced current.

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Sep 1, 2020 11:53:12   #
Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I can't offer help with your question but I will say a camera should be placed on a padded surface when driving in the car.


and that is because? My vehicles have carpet. My camera are in padded shoot boxes but I am just curious as to your reasoning.

Thanks in advance.

J.R.

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Sep 1, 2020 12:12:48   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
PHRubin wrote:
I used to keep my camera bag on the back seat. Then, one night, a deer ran across the road right in front of me. I had to brake hard. The bag slid off and fell to the floor. Since then I keep the bag on the floor. I have a conventionally powered vehicle. Just mentioning the danger of back seat storage. Off course, if you can use a seat belt, that might be OK in a Tesla.

Far better to put your camera bag on your back seat instead of the floor, which will absorb the shock from bumps much better. You may want to think about latching your seat belt across your camera bag to secure it in place.

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Sep 1, 2020 12:20:10   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Fredrick wrote:
Far better to put your camera bag on your back seat instead of the floor, which will absorb the shock from bumps much better. You may want to think about latching your seat belt across your camera bag to secure it in place.


Yes to bag on seat with seatbelt attached!

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Sep 1, 2020 12:32:48   #
rlynes Loc: Wisconsin
 
The Tesla 3's (you didn't say which model you had, so guessing) front electric motor is just forward, and slightly below, the front floor console. It's possible that if there's a problem with that motor, it may be sending out a larger magnetic or EMF field than normal.

Without putting the whole thing on a scope, it's hard to tell.

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Sep 1, 2020 13:07:47   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
IMSHog wrote:
Strong electric magnetic fields can corrupt data. The magnets used in the old hard drives are shielded to prevent this from happening. Strong magnets were used to bulk erase the old hard drives.

To isolate the problem try this:
1. Shoot a few photos of your house, anything for that matter, on three separate cards.
- Check that you can see / review the images prior to moving on.
2. Place the card that has been giving you issues in a safe place in you home.
3. Place a second card in a metal box.
4. Leave the last, third card in the camera.
5. Put the camera and the metal box on the floor in the same place where you suspect the problem.
6. Go for a ride, start, stop, turn the car on / off a few times, accelerate as that might generate the EMF.
7. Go home and reevaluate the cards;
- if the card in the camera is corrupted, but not the one in the metal box that points to EMF.
- if both cards in the car are damaged it still could be EMF, but heat or vibration would also be suspect.
- if the card left at home is corrupt but not the other two in the car, then that card is going bad.
- if all three have issues it's probably the camera.

Let us know how you make out, I am curious to hear about the results.

Another thing you can do would be to have someone sit in the back of the car with one of those ball compasses in liquid that float. Get a read on North prior to starting the car. Then keep the compass near the place where you are having the problem and see if the compass goes crazy, spinning in different directions when starting, stopping... make sure you are driving in a straight line. If the compass is doing strange stuff you have magnetic fields in the car.
Strong electric magnetic fields can corrupt data. ... (show quote)


This is an excellent experiment. This may provide an answer.

Instead of the metal box you may find wrapping all in Aluminum foil to work.

I guess I will add this to my reasons for not buying a Tesla.

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Sep 1, 2020 13:16:44   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Here is a list of papers on EM fields in cars.

https://www.saferemr.com/2014/07/shouldnt-hybrid-and-electric-cars-be-re.html

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Sep 1, 2020 13:45:03   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
fotostory wrote:
My wife and I frequently take short hikes in the Sierras. Three hikes ago, after taking a couple photos, I got an error when trying to view my photos. I formatted the card and everything then seemed OK. Two hike ago I had a similar thing happen.
My wife’s car is a Tesla and I wondered if the battery was corrupting the card when I placed my camera on the floorboard for the trip. So, yesterday, I took a photo, placed the camera on the floorboard and we drove to our hike. On arrival, I could not view the photo, so I formatted the card and all was OK again.
I am thinking the close proximity of the camera and the car battery of the Electric Vehicle is corrupting the card. At any rate, if you have an electric powered car, this is something to think about.
My wife and I frequently take short hikes in the S... (show quote)


Not a problem for me as I will never have an EV until they are forced upon us victims.
Hopefully I die before then.

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Sep 1, 2020 14:19:33   #
George II Loc: Fayetteville, Georgia
 
robertjerl wrote:
An unshielded electro magnet (maybe in the drive train/electric motor may be doing it. Magnetism can screw up memory cards. A friend who is a Professor of Computer science had a student whose disks/drives she turned in were often corrupted so he questioned her about how she handled them. The ones she had her homework on were put on the refrigerator with a magnet so she would see them and remember to take them to school when she fixed her morning coffee. She stopped doing that and the problem was solved.

Maybe that Tesla doesn't have very good shielding.

That bit about magnetism or electric fields not affecting memory cards doesn't seem to hold up all the time in the real world.
An unshielded electro magnet (maybe in the drive t... (show quote)


If the Tesla shielding was a problem just imagine how many people with pace makers would go off line whilst in a Tesla...i own a Tesla S and its the best damn car I’ve ever had...my camera likes it, my SD cards like it my local fuel station hates it....

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Sep 1, 2020 14:33:53   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
George II wrote:
If the Tesla shielding was a problem just imagine how many people with pace makers would go off line whilst in a Tesla...i own a Tesla S and its the best damn car I’ve ever had...my camera likes it, my SD cards like it my local fuel station hates it....


It could have a problem that needs attention at the service center.

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Sep 1, 2020 15:24:28   #
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Sep 1, 2020 15:49:03   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
George II wrote:
If the Tesla shielding was a problem just imagine how many people with pace makers would go off line whilst in a Tesla...i own a Tesla S and its the best damn car I’ve ever had...my camera likes it, my SD cards like it my local fuel station hates it....


Yeah, anyone connected with conventional automobile manufacturing and the petrochemical industry will make up all kinds of $#!t to scare folks away from hybrids, or hydrogen, or all battery-electric vehicles.

Then there are the change haters who hate change of any sort... Sorry folks, the sands of time wash away all the castles we build. Change haters have the same incentive to scare us that anyone about to lose their market does. Think cigarettes, cyclamates, politicians, buggy whip manufacturers, land line phone manufacturers...

"Self preservation by ostrich instinct" (i.e.; deer in headlights reaction or cerebral paralysis) is the coward's way of (not) adapting to change. It really hurt Kodak, Nokia, Blackberry, Polaroid... It leaves one subject to the "painful death from paradigm shift infections." People like Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos are particularly good at inflicting that pain on scores of industries.

I've driven Priuses since 2008 and never had issues with electronics (other than the crappy Entune in my wife's 2015 Prius V. It reboots randomly...). And no, I don't glow or twitch. Much.

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Sep 1, 2020 16:15:29   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
George II wrote:
If the Tesla shielding was a problem just imagine how many people with pace makers would go off line whilst in a Tesla...i own a Tesla S and its the best damn car I’ve ever had...my camera likes it, my SD cards like it my local fuel station hates it....


Your local coal/gas burning power station loves it.

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Sep 1, 2020 16:16:23   #
maciej
 
I drive a Tesla Model3 and before that a Chevy Bolt. Both are all electric vehicles. I almost always put my camera in a gadget bag on the floor behind the driver's seat (not on the seat for the reasons mentioned previously). If not behind the driver's seat the camera and equipment are in the trunk. I have never had the issue mentioned with flash memory cards. Perhaps there is another contributing factor--------------.

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Sep 1, 2020 16:30:19   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Is it possible all these events occurred on a Thursday?

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