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Aug 26, 2020 06:57:13   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I was doing some thinking on the aperture question the other day related to extenders. An f/4 lens with a 2x extender is classified as f/8. But, the aperture of the lens is f/4 (shooting wide open) with both the depth of field characteristics and the light intensity of that lens at f/4. The image is then magnified when passing through the extender. I haven't gone out to try to demonstrate with actual lenses, but I'm thinking the image with the extender won't grain depth of field, but rather, just experiences a loss of light intensity coming out of the extender.
I was doing some thinking on the aperture question... (show quote)


John Shaw in one of his books did a very interesting experiment. From a tripod mounted camera he shot the same scene with a wide angle and a telephoto making sure focus on the same point, using the same f/stop. Then he cropped the wide angle image to include the same field of view while enlarging the image so that the two were the same size when printed. Curiously, the depth of field was the same, although the quality of the wide angle enlargement was crap.

With regard to your specific question I think the depth of field will be the same but the effects of magnification will make the deterioration of focus from the point of focus more apparent with the T/C. The loss of light is just the inverse square rule as less light is now reaching the sensor. But this is easily checked with a simple test using the same f/stop and same point of focus with and without the T/C. By enlarging then non T/C image so that the two show the same area, you will be able to tell two things. 1. Whether the depth of field is the same. 2. The amount of image quality loss due to the T/C .

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Aug 26, 2020 07:03:46   #
avflinsch Loc: Hamilton, New Jersey
 
MW wrote:

Many years ago I used a 2x one (Sigma??) quite a lot in a semi-macro capacity to photograph flowers and such. The benefits outweighed the disadvantages. Note that I’m talking a bout a TC and NOT a screw on macro filter!


I have an old Vivitar 2x with the built in macro focus ring. Having the 2 focus rings takes a bit of getting used to, but coupled with my 85mm f1.8 is is my favorite macro setup.

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Aug 26, 2020 08:07:52   #
Lawmanb2 Loc: New Smyrna Beach, FL
 
Have made up my mind. I will check with one of my friends, borrow a lens and try for myself before I lay out any money.

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Aug 26, 2020 08:09:22   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Lawmanb2 wrote:
What is the general consensus on Teleconverters? Are they worth the price? How do they perform?

Bill


Only if u have a lens with f4 or faster and only a 1.4 converter. Any thing else and your burning money.

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Aug 26, 2020 08:44:56   #
julian.gang
 
Hi Bill,
Let me tell you about my experience about six years ago with a Sony VCL-HG1758. I was standing on the shore of Lake Erie in Marblehead, Ohio, near the lighthouse. I took a picture of 1 of the gates at Cedarpoint of course the teleconversion lens was attached to a 50 times zoom camera, but I still thought it was impressive!...Julian

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Aug 26, 2020 08:45:06   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Lawmanb2 wrote:
Have made up my mind. I will check with one of my friends, borrow a lens and try for myself before I lay out any money.



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Aug 26, 2020 08:52:53   #
Lawmanb2 Loc: New Smyrna Beach, FL
 
Thanks, Julian.

Bill

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Aug 26, 2020 10:19:24   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
Has anyone done comparisons with a crop sensor vs a full frame sensor. I wonder if this would make a difference?

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Aug 26, 2020 10:34:12   #
WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ
 
JimRPhoto wrote:
I’ve had some third party ones in the past, and the resolution/sharpness was so poor I hardly ever used them. But I have a Canon 70-200mm L lens, and Canon makes a 1.4 converter for it that I have. I find it hard to believe the sharpness and resolution I get, even if I choose to crop in post processing. So I guess the answer for you is, it depends. I have read a lot on this forum and others think that a teleconverter (or extender) that is made by the lens manufacturer to mate with their own lens, is the way to go. Good luck! JimR
I’ve had some third party ones in the past, and th... (show quote)



In general, I would agree with using OEM accessories. However, I've had excellent results with the Kenko 1.4x
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1388012-REG/kenko_k_tphd1_4_n_teleplus_hd_1_4x_for.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAjwkJj6BRA-EiwA0ZVPVuoY5L4u0KGxsIx3M4WGzZgaTbNuRLhtqqrzfPnCIttbY9oi4R6j1xoCB-IQAvD_BwE

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Aug 26, 2020 10:39:36   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
Some of the experts on youtube say teleconverters shouldn't be used on crop camera's and that there may be some extra sharpness with full frames. I personally can't get anything more with my canon 1.4x. I crop with better results. It is an expensive paper weight. I sure some of you can get good results.

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Aug 26, 2020 10:40:49   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I spent about $500 on a Nikon 1.4 TC the I never use.


I am wondering if you would give me your Nikon 1.4 TC so I can use it on a Nikon 300mm f4 I don't have.

Just a passing thought.

Dennis

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Aug 26, 2020 10:43:36   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Lawmanb2 wrote:
What is the general consensus on Teleconverters? Are they worth the price? How do they perform?

Bill


Like anything, quality and price usually result in the better performance. I have found great variation in the 3rd party TC's, less in the prime MFG units. Some lenses respond much better than others, and the quality of your AF system can also make or break the pairing. My suggestion is to buy from someone who you can return it to if you are not happy...and avoid "cheap", though tempting, you may regret the purchase. Funny though, one of my favorites (I don't generally use them, but on occasion will) is an old Cambron 1.7X from my film days, it defies convention, but is sharper than most others I have tried or own.....no idea why, but it is a keeper. Must have been a good day at the factory of whoever made Cambron's gear.

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Aug 26, 2020 11:21:28   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I am wondering if you would give me your Nikon 1.4 TC so I can use it on a Nikon 300mm f4 I don't have.

Just a passing thought.

Dennis


Perhaps I should dust it off and give it another try. 😀😀😀
Good thought though.

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Aug 26, 2020 11:45:53   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
MW wrote:
All teleconverters degrade the image resolution at least a little. The ones made by the same manufacturer as the lens it is used with (Nikon TC for Nikon, Fuji TC for Fuji, etc) have the least degradation. Some such as Fuji’s works only with certain specific lenses and may damage others. Third party TC’s as a practical mater have to work with a wider range on lenses.

Many years ago I used a 2x one (Sigma??) quite a lot in a semi-macro capacity to photograph flowers and such. The benefits outweighed the disadvantages. Note that I’m talking a bout a TC and NOT a screw on macro filter!
All teleconverters degrade the image resolution at... (show quote)


For macro a simple extension tube would be better than a teleconverter and it would have no effect on IQ.

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Aug 26, 2020 11:48:35   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
I agree that a simple extension tube is the way to go for macro.

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