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Aug 17, 2020 22:28:10   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Horatio wrote:
Thank you for the update. I took those words from the American Airlines website. My apologies for not using the correct terminology.

Personally, I am sick and tired of all this political virus stuff.

It is very simple:
1. ‘social distance’
2. wear masks when cannot distance
3. sanitize hands
4. avoid crowds
There was some uncertainty back in February, but after experience, all the experts agree with these now. Anyone who expects college students to followed them - especially #4 - has a problem.

Yes, this is not easy; my wife misses hugs too, but she has been coping after I pointed out that I am the one she would bring the virus home to.

We have Notre Dame University in our area. I expect problems there, too.

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Aug 17, 2020 23:00:19   #
srt101fan
 
Horatio wrote:
Thank you for the update. I took those words from the American Airlines website. My apologies for not using the correct terminology.

Personally, I am sick and tired of all this political virus stuff.


I'm with you on the frustration with the politics of this issue. How much better off we'd all be if we worked together to fight the virus instead of fighting each other.

'rehess' gave you a good summary of the right actions. Good luck to you, Horatio, use your common sense, and stay safe....

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Aug 17, 2020 23:27:40   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
srt101fan wrote:
I'm with you on the frustration with the politics of this issue. How much better off we'd all be if we worked together to fight the virus instead of fighting each other.

'rehess' gave you a good summary of the right actions. Good luck to you, Horatio, use your common sense, and stay safe....


👍👍 And apparently, other college towns, where students are a substantial percentage of the population, such as Ann Arbor MI, and others are worried as well: https://www.theverge.com/21367847/college-towns-campus-coronavirus-pandemic-university-michigan-ann-arbor

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Aug 17, 2020 23:30:47   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
srt101fan wrote:
Horatio, if your grandmother is still working, I'm going to assume that your a young person and maybe you have not had enough exposure to the facts regarding the benefits of masking.

Good masks, with proper use, do work in reducing the spread of the virus and in reducing the risk of the wearer getting infected.

With regard to American Airlines: I think they banned masks with exhaust valves. For people other than health care providers, the primary reason for wearing a mask is to contain their germs and keep them from spreading to others. Masks with exhaust valves are useless in that regard.

The exhaust valve, by design, provides a path for your outgoing breath that bypasses filtration. It makes breathing easier and reduces fogging of glasses but does nothing to keep your bugs inside your mask.
Horatio, if your grandmother is still working, I'm... (show quote)


Excellent synopsis.

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Aug 18, 2020 01:37:52   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Horatio wrote:
Who knows if masking even works. Ask American Airlines. They just banned masks with respirator type devices installed. Let's all just get the virus and move on.


Well, we know that not wearing a mask doesn't work. Might as well wear a mask and hope that it actually does work. Since medical professionals have been wearing them for decades, I'm inclined to believe that they do. They keep me from infecting you and you from infecting me. Having recovered from sepsis and heart surgery, my son is preparing to return to work as an MRI Tech. Two individuals at his location have become infected. It's unknown whether it was from work or outside activities. He'll be wearing not only a surgical mask, but a plastic mask in front of that, plus gloves and paper gown.

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Aug 18, 2020 04:03:13   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
TriX wrote:
Another failed experiment:

“The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, one of the largest schools to attempt to hold in-person classes, announced Monday that it will switch to all-remote instruction after a rapidly growing cluster of cases were reported during the first week of school. “As much as we believe we have worked diligently to help create a healthy and safe campus living and learning environment, we believe the current data presents an untenable situation,” according to a joint statement from Chancellor, Kevin M. Guskiewicz and Provost Robert A. Blouin. UNC, which has about 30,000 students, has seen 177 cases among students, while another 349 are in quarantine because of possible exposure”.

Now the question is: what will the University (and the town of Chapel Hill) do with those 30,000 students that are either living in close proximity in dorms or off campus in the small town? Send them home with some taking the virus home with them, or keep them in dorms where the virus can’t help but spread between students and into the faculty and surrounding community? You would have thought the board of Governors of the University would have been smarter, especially after receiving a letter signed by over 1000 members of the faculty advising against it and a lawsuit by the maintenance workers to prevent it, but noooo.

Just hoping and praying that N.C. State University, with another 30,000 students and about a mile from my house and several blocks from both grocery stores that we use doesn’t repeat the same mistake.
Another failed experiment: br br “The University ... (show quote)


Before we trash N.C. State, we really need to review the policies and procedures based upon our knowledge to the pandemic to date.

For everyone entering campus, there must be serious restrictions. The student and an assistant (family member or friend) to help the student move in. The campus must have surface cleaners around the clock keeping common areas sterilized with alcohol. The dorms should be area sprayed with alcohol twice weekly. The student in the dorm should do it daily.
We might have everyone entering a building be screened and have their temperature taken by a nurse for precautions. Social distancing and wearing a mask is a must. This virus has changed the face of public health. It is better to be steadfast in our polices and treatment of the virus outbreak than to be lackadaisical.
As for educators, they are some of the sharpest tools in the shed. The ones we need to be concerned about is legislators. They aren’t the sharpest tools I have found.

Rather than fighting each other, we really need to work together making this pandemic part of our History Books.

Happy Shooting!

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Aug 18, 2020 04:21:41   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
And we need to pray it doesn't get as bad as the 1918-19 "Spanish Flu". That one infected 1/3 of the world population at the time and killed 20-150 million people depending on whose WAG you accept - counting people in those days was often just a wild guess in most of the world.

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Aug 18, 2020 06:35:30   #
srt101fan
 
fantom wrote:
Excellent synopsis.


Thank you.

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Aug 18, 2020 07:11:32   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
robertjerl wrote:
The incubation period is two weeks, so if the cases were positive tests during the first week. They caught it somewhere else. That said, they do need to isolate those students and those exposed to them and take precautions during in-person classes.

My daughter is in Medical School and they are gearing up for in-person classes. If anyone knows how to do it right it would be a medical school.
However our daughter is taking a one semester break from classes and working at a lab research project in the medical school. So still a student and on campus but not in classes for one semester. Of course that means her rent etc is not covered by her scholarship for a semester and now the Bank of Mom and Dad will be paying it.
The incubation period is two weeks, so if the case... (show quote)


If people do not follow the guidelines issued from institutions that "knows how to do it right". The problem is, are, and will always be.... the people.

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Aug 18, 2020 07:43:00   #
Horatio
 
SteveR wrote:
Well, we know that not wearing a mask doesn't work. Might as well wear a mask and hope that it actually does work. Since medical professionals have been wearing them for decades, I'm inclined to believe that they do. They keep me from infecting you and you from infecting me. Having recovered from sepsis and heart surgery, my son is preparing to return to work as an MRI Tech. Two individuals at his location have become infected. It's unknown whether it was from work or outside activities. He'll be wearing not only a surgical mask, but a plastic mask in front of that, plus gloves and paper gown.
Well, we know that not wearing a mask doesn't work... (show quote)


I am sorry to hear about your son. I hope his heart surgery went well.

Actually, for the person wearing the mask, the mask only will keep you from infecting others. Only the N95 mask will keep others from infecting you. People think that they are protected with non-N95 masks, but they are not. What the government needs to do, is give N95 masks to all high risk individuals. But, using the N95 mask does not mean they are safe.

What people do not understand is that medical professionals have been taught how to properly wash their hands. They are also taught not touch surfaces and their faces. I have watched people with masks and plexiglass face shields, touch a variety of surfaces, then reach underneath their plexiglass face shield and rub their eyes. When you do this, you have just exposed yourself to any of the germs that were on the surfaces you touched. Consider this... many people do not wash their hands after using the restroom.

We need to practice good personal hygiene, proper washing of hands and covering your mouth when you sneeze and/or cough.

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Aug 18, 2020 08:00:12   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Horatio wrote:
I am sorry to hear about your son. I hope his heart surgery went well.

Actually, for the person wearing the mask, the mask only will keep you from infecting others. Only the N95 mask will keep others from infecting you. People think that they are protected with non-N95 masks, but they are not. What the government needs to do, is give N95 masks to all high risk individuals. But, using the N95 mask does not mean they are safe.

What people do not understand is that medical professionals have been taught how to properly wash their hands. They are also taught not touch surfaces and their faces. I have watched people with masks and plexiglass face shields, touch a variety of surfaces, then reach underneath their plexiglass face shield and rub their eyes. When you do this, you have just exposed yourself to any of the germs that were on the surfaces you touched. Consider this... many people do not wash their hands after using the restroom.

We need to practice good personal hygiene, proper washing of hands and covering your mouth when you sneeze and/or cough.
I am sorry to hear about your son. I hope his hea... (show quote)

When a local doctor was asked by our Governor to talk about masks, in addition to the Missouri case when patrons were not infected even though masked Beauticians were, he talked about when a known Covid case coughed in his face; he wore only a cloth mask, but was not infected. They seem to provide some protection even to the wearer.

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Aug 18, 2020 08:22:41   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
I am a school bus driver, and the school district here is planning on opening in a couple of weeks. There is no way that the younger kids on the bus will wear masks - we cannot even get them to stay in their seats! In order to 'socially distance', we could only get about 10 students on a bus, but our elementary runs mostly carry upwards of 60...

As an older person, in several risk categories, I am not keen this situation at all...

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Aug 18, 2020 08:42:08   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Bloke wrote:
I am a school bus driver, and the school district here is planning on opening in a couple of weeks. There is no way that the younger kids on the bus will wear masks - we cannot even get them to stay in their seats! In order to 'socially distance', we could only get about 10 students on a bus, but our elementary runs mostly carry upwards of 60...

As an older person, in several risk categories, I am not keen this situation at all...

From local news reports, your concerns are far from unique.

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Aug 18, 2020 08:49:44   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
The mask does not stop a virus BUT IT WILL SLOW OR STOP SPIT CARRYING A VIRUS - Wear your mask. Much of the "NEWS" about the flu is put forth for political reasons.

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Aug 18, 2020 08:57:28   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
Horatio wrote:
Who knows if masking even works. Ask American Airlines. They just banned masks with respirator type devices installed. Let's all just get the virus and move on.


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