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Aug 5, 2020 08:19:57   #
Bayou
 
Gene51 wrote:
...File versioning is a feature to most backup systems, including SyncBack...


File versioning is indeed essential. It can save your data from ransomware attacks and other forms of data corruption. Any backup software that blindly overwrites an old version with the new puts you at great risk for loss.

The free version of SyncBack lacks versioning, while the $40 SE version has it. SyncBack is terrific...very robust and flexible.

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Aug 5, 2020 09:07:51   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
DWU2 wrote:
I use the free Microsoft Synctoy backup tool, and it's served me well. https://windowsreport.com/synctoy-windows-10/


Same here. Plus, once a month, I run the W7 image backup on my W10 machines. Slow but still does the job. And the backup has saved me on a couple occasions.

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Aug 5, 2020 09:25:16   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Fstop12 wrote:
Excellent question! I will add will he even be able to acces them given how fast technology changes!

JPG technology hasn't changed since it's creation. The first jpg photo can be accessed today with any jpg viewer. This is not likely to change regardless of new tech.This in itself is an excellent reason to keep a jpg of all your digital photos. On the other hand, just like your moms box of photos, few photos will be interesting to your ancestors even if they can access them, even after just one generation.

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Aug 5, 2020 09:39:22   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
bleirer wrote:
So I backup my windows 10 pc that i use just for photos. I use a 2 TB usb drive. All my photos and edits for one year are combined in one folder for the year. I use only one Lightroom catalog for all photos. So a couple of questions.

1. Is using the windows backup system, the one that works through the file history part of system tools to write to a designated backup drive on a user set schedule as good as copying the folders directly? Or is it more or less likely to lose data?

2. Since I only have the one photos folder and the one Lightroom folder, it's not that difficult to copy and paste the folders, but is there a better way to do it?
So I backup my windows 10 pc that i use just for p... (show quote)

Doesn't matter much how you back up your photos, keeping in mind two points. One, make sure you can access your files individually with any file manager. Two, make sure you backup regularly. The best way to back up regularly is have it done for you automatically.

There are many ways to do this, but, windows comes with two apps that can be used just for this, one is Robocopy and the other is Taskschd.msc. Robocopy is a very flexable backup program so you can tailor backups to your needs. Taskscheduler allows running applications on a schedule.
Learn how to use robocopy and then put it in a batch file and run the batch file from Taskschd.msc.

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Aug 5, 2020 09:41:21   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
I wasn't talking about the actual images. I was talking about the external drives they would be stored on. Will an old 30-40 old external drive even be able to hook up to a futuristic computer? And I agree, most people won't want the images.

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Aug 5, 2020 09:47:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I wasn't talking about the actual images. I was talking about the external drives they would be stored on. Will an old 30-40 old external drive even be able to hook up to a futuristic computer? And I agree, most people won't want the images.

One must migrate to new media as support changes.
Ask <now many> people who still have stuff on 8"floppies, or 3-1/4 floppies.
One should not plan on keeping the same media for 30-40 years, unless it's paper.

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Aug 5, 2020 10:16:01   #
BarTim Loc: Milan, Ohio
 
Longshadow wrote:
Unless the current Windows "backup system" allows retrieval of individual files, I won't use it.
I got bitten once with "DOS Backup" years ago. The restore was ALL or NOTHING; the backup was compressed and individual files were not retrievable.

My current backup system is a batch file that copies specific directories and files (photos, docs, downloads, PDFs, ...).
I can peruse the backups with Windows Explorer just like the source drive.

But what/how one performs backups is a personal preference.
JUST BACKUP SOMEHOW!
Unless the current Windows "backup system&quo... (show quote)



As a Systems Analyst with 30 years experience, I concur with this method unless you want to get dedicated backup app.

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Aug 5, 2020 10:37:52   #
Red6
 
Longshadow wrote:
One must migrate to new media as support changes.
Ask <now many> people who still have stuff on 8"floppies, or 3-1/4 floppies.
One should not plan on keeping the same media for 30-40 years, unless it's paper.


I just read an article about this a year ago. This is a situation that libraries, museums and other institutions that store large amounts of information must confront. The article I read was about the Smithsonian which has millions of documents in a multitude of different storage formats. Technology is advancing so fast that any format they choose is soon outdated.

So far no single format has withstood the test of time for long term storage AND retrieval. Ironically, the best format so far seems to be paper.

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Aug 5, 2020 10:37:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I have no idea how the Windows backup works, but do a backup and then go in there and see how it looks. If it is a mirror copy of your main drive, then it should be okay. Ideally, it will copy or delete files based on what you have on your main hard drive. If you have only one backup dive, you really have no backup. If that drive fails, you have nothing. You should have at least two external backups.

I use SyncBackSE, and it's beautiful.

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Aug 5, 2020 10:46:30   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Twelve backups.
Ya never know what can happen to the first eleven.

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Aug 5, 2020 10:53:27   #
bleirer
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I have no idea how the Windows backup works, but do a backup and then go in there and see how it looks. If it is a mirror copy of your main drive, then it should be okay. Ideally, it will copy or delete files based on what you have on your main hard drive. If you have only one backup dive, you really have no backup. If that drive fails, you have nothing. You should have at least two external backups.

I use SyncBackSE, and it's beautiful.


On the windows one I mentioned you can access individual files. You pick the folders to include and set a schedule and it runs in the background.

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Aug 5, 2020 10:57:07   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
BarTim wrote:
As a Systems Analyst with 30 years experience, I concur with this method unless you want to get dedicated backup app.


Are you concurring with the use of the W10 system or the W7 image system, which still works? I'm a little confused by your answer.

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Aug 5, 2020 11:00:40   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I wasn't talking about the actual images. I was talking about the external drives they would be stored on. Will an old 30-40 old external drive even be able to hook up to a futuristic computer? And I agree, most people won't want the images.

Yes, that would be a different issue. Floppy drives from the past are pretty much gone today, and CD/DVD drives are disappearing I reckon. Hard drives for DOS/WINDOWS are still good though. My first PC had the first HD available to the public, 10 meg hard drive which was huge at the time, but it's DOS format would still be accessible today I believe from windows. Interestingly, one PSD file or raw file would not fit on that huge 10 megger😃

Floppies at that time were either 720K or 1.4 meg, big enough for a couple raw sidecar files I guess. DVD drives are kinda big at 4.7gigs, but really too small for large numbers of photo's.

Would be wise to move the files, preferably non-proprietary jpg files, to whatever medium is currently in use.
I used to back up all my photos and music to DVD drives. I quit doing that and instead have two external usb drives, and a network backup, so I have 4 copies of all my photo's and songs and most everything else on my PC.

Cloud would be a good idea if you worry about a house fire or explosion. I haven't gone to that extreme yet, probably won't, but it would be a good idea. I unplug one USB drive and back up that drive only once a week. My brother had an electrical surge caused by the electric company and every electrical device that was on was fried, even if it just had a led light indicating it was connected.

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Aug 5, 2020 11:52:08   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Yes, that would be a different issue. Floppy drives from the past are pretty much gone today, and CD/DVD drives are disappearing I reckon. Hard drives for DOS/WINDOWS are still good though. My first PC had the first HD available to the public, 10 meg hard drive which was huge at the time, but it's DOS format would still be accessible today I believe from windows. Interestingly, one PSD file or raw file would not fit on that huge 10 megger😃

Floppies at that time were either 720K or 1.4 meg, big enough for a couple raw sidecar files I guess. DVD drives are kinda big at 4.7gigs, but really too small for large numbers of photo's.

Would be wise to move the files, preferably non-proprietary jpg files, to whatever medium is currently in use.
I used to back up all my photos and music to DVD drives. I quit doing that and instead have two external usb drives, and a network backup, so I have 4 copies of all my photo's and songs and most everything else on my PC.

Cloud would be a good idea if you worry about a house fire or explosion. I haven't gone to that extreme yet, probably won't, but it would be a good idea. I unplug one USB drive and back up that drive only once a week. My brother had an electrical surge caused by the electric company and every electrical device that was on was fried, even if it just had a led light indicating it was connected.
Yes, that would be a different issue. Floppy driv... (show quote)


Thanks for the feedback

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Aug 5, 2020 13:04:40   #
photoman43
 
Gene51 wrote:
I never use the Windows backup tool.

I prefer SyncBackFree by TwoBrightSparks.

https://www.2brightsparks.com/download-syncbackfree.html

It offers complete backup/synchronization/restoring of your files. If you want to work with image backups, you have to upgrade to the paid versions. Images are good for system drive backups, the free version is sufficient for files and folders.

In automated mode, it uses a profile/calendar?scripts to run backups, and you can do a "pre" run to see what it will back up, and a compare to ensure that source and destination are correct. It also has diagnostics and will back up some open files (if I recall correctly). It's a real "set it and forget it" application. Certainly worth considering.
I never use the Windows backup tool. br br I pre... (show quote)


I also recommend using Syncback. I use the SE (paid) version. I create normal backups when I am backing up file folders. After making deletions and edits, then I use Mirror backup to copy the changes and make any needed deletions. I choose to do mine manually.

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