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Jun 21, 2020 11:48:28   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
Kaib795 wrote:
The issue here is ... if you turn slightly to get another shot, you're looking at a different light (maybe your auto WB made a bad judgement call) and get a color cast in that shot. Green casts are often from fluorescent lighting. This can happen all the time and does happen to all of us. Best thing, you got the shot and it can be fixed with a little post computer work. For very simple adjustments, you could also try a photo filter in Photoshop to correct the green cast, but it's a down and dirty fix with no real exact correcting but it will look better.

Do try the Photoshop fix I posted above using blend mode/divide. It really can fix any tinted shot ... as long as you have one spot in the shot that should be pure white (any blown sparkle of light will do to work off of). Most versions of PS can do this. Watch the video and see for yourself. It's amazing. Even if you don't have Photoshop, watch the video and see what professional software can do. But do understand that when you get into color correcting work, you need to calibrate your monitor first so your viewing true colors in the first place.
The issue here is ... if you turn slightly to get ... (show quote)


Very informative - thanks for your input!

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Jun 21, 2020 14:31:51   #
Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA
 
raymondh wrote:
Very informative - thanks for your input!


Well, if you don't use Photoshop, this certainly is a feature that could be used all the time. I only wish we could buy it outright but alas, you can only get it as a subscription so you never own it. Follow this guy on YouTube and see what can be done with Photoshop. He's my mentor and I've learned so much from Unmesh (Dinda). What a great find to learn more.

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Jun 21, 2020 14:34:38   #
Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA
 
Sorry, I meant that this feature, when you buy Photoshop, will be used all the time.

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Jul 1, 2020 21:01:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
raymondh wrote:
Here are the details of these I shot a few hours ago. There has been NO processing of any kind other than converting the RAW to jpg and reducing the file size to 2040 on the long side. They were also shot in HS burst mode so they were within fractions of a second apart - I think the Canon 1dx2 shoots around 14fps in raw.
Canon Lens= 70-200 II IS @F2.8; AI Servo; sp-640; 115mm; WB =3900 k; EC +1/3; meter =CW ave.

The 1st shot (A) represents pretty close to the actual pale green wall color. What do you suppose would cause the shift in (B) to light tan? I shot a burst of 8, all within a sec & the color changed on every other shot. Could it be some fluorescent flicker?
Here are the details of these I shot a few hours a... (show quote)


Shutter speed is too fast to capture a whole AC power cycle in each frame. So you get white balance and exposure variations. Some higher-end cameras have an anti-flicker setting that addresses this issue.

Either lower shutter speed (1/60) or use only incandescent lighting or flash, where permitted.

Fluorescent, LED, HID, Mercury vapor, and Sodium vapor lights all generate this effect.

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Jul 2, 2020 10:00:06   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
burkphoto wrote:
Shutter speed is too fast to capture a whole AC power cycle in each frame. So you get white balance and exposure variations. Some higher-end cameras have an anti-flicker setting that addresses this issue.

Either lower shutter speed (1/60) or use only incandescent lighting or flash, where permitted.


Fluorescent, LED, HID, Mercury vapor, and Sodium vapor lights all generate this effect.


This happened to be the only venue of a dozen or so around the state that it was obvious. The 1dx has an anti-flicker setting that wasn’t enabled - this should solve the problem. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

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Jul 2, 2020 12:11:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
raymondh wrote:
This happened to be the only venue of a dozen or so around the state that it was obvious. The 1dx has an anti-flicker setting that wasn’t enabled - this should solve the problem. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!


You’re welcome! It’s a common annoyance, minimized by HMI sources used in professional sports arenas.

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Aug 2, 2020 07:08:34   #
TSHDGTL
 
The white collar of the girl with the ball has a warm tint in the image with the green wall and a cool tint in the other. Anyone have an idea what caused that?

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Aug 2, 2020 11:27:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TSHDGTL wrote:
The white collar of the girl with the ball has a warm tint in the image with the green wall and a cool tint in the other. Anyone have an idea what caused that?


Two different light sources running on different phases of three phase power will oscillate color with offset patterns.

It is almost impossible to avoid this effect if A, B, and C power phases are all in use in the same lighting grid! That puts three different color/brightness variations into the same scene, sequentially.

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Aug 29, 2020 20:51:49   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Burkphoto nailed this....

"Two different light sources running on different phases of three phase power will oscillate color with offset patterns.

It is almost impossible to avoid this effect if A, B, and C power phases are all in use in the same lighting grid! That puts three different color/brightness variations into the same scene, sequentially."

Another compelling reason I only shoot outdoor soccer... either you control illumination or it controls you...

lovely series raymondh... B&W can often be pressed into service in this scenario...

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Aug 29, 2020 23:19:02   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Burkphoto nailed this....

"Two different light sources running on different phases of three phase power will oscillate color with offset patterns.

It is almost impossible to avoid this effect if A, B, and C power phases are all in use in the same lighting grid! That puts three different color/brightness variations into the same scene, sequentially."

Another compelling reason I only shoot outdoor soccer... either you control illumination or it controls you...

lovely series raymondh... B&W can often be pressed into service in this scenario...
Burkphoto nailed this.... br br "Two differe... (show quote)


Thanks.

And yeah, there’s nothing wrong with B&W sports.

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Aug 30, 2020 07:54:54   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Burkphoto nailed this....

"Two different light sources running on different phases of three phase power will oscillate color with offset patterns.

It is almost impossible to avoid this effect if A, B, and C power phases are all in use in the same lighting grid! That puts three different color/brightness variations into the same scene, sequentially."

Another compelling reason I only shoot outdoor soccer... either you control illumination or it controls you...

lovely series raymondh... B&W can often be pressed into service in this scenario...
Burkphoto nailed this.... br br "Two differe... (show quote)


Thank you for your support & your technical knowledge!

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