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Baseball again. Who are the 10 best hitters of all time.
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Jul 26, 2020 16:05:29   #
pendennis
 
LWW wrote:
I've also been bothered by Davey Concepcion being left out of the hall of fame.


Besides Dave Concepcion, Detroit Tigers 2nd baseman Lou Whitaker should be in the HOF, also.

Neither should have to wait for the "old timers" vote.

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Jul 26, 2020 16:10:45   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
pendennis wrote:
Besides Dave Concepcion, Detroit Tigers 2nd baseman Lou Whitaker should be in the HOF, also.

Neither should have to wait for the "old timers" vote.


I concur.

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Jul 27, 2020 05:43:48   #
Dalek Loc: Detroit, Miami, Goffstown
 
It is all relative to your youth, for me, it is AL KALINE!

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Jul 27, 2020 06:24:42   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
LWW wrote:
That's a good one, and my list today and tomorrow might vary a bit based on my mood:

1 - Henry Aaron. Broke Ruth's home run run record, broke Musial's NL hit record, won a triple crown and did it with a 175-180 lb frame and death threats. Even though he had the lowest career OPS of any on my list, he also played on some totally sorry teams with no support and his last two years were abysmal. Also Henry would drop a bunt down if needed and try for a sacrifice fly if needed.Also I have more first hand experience watching him than any on the list.

2 - Ted Williams. The great unknown. What might his numbers have been had he not served in WWII and the Korean conflict.

3 - I pick Lou Gehrig over Ruth because Ruth had Gehrig batting behind him while Gehrig had Bob Meusel hitting behind him, plus Gehrig had a career cut short by ALS.

4 - George Herman Ruth. Maybe not the best, but the most dominant at his peak. Lou helped.

5 - Tyrus Raymond Cobb. I would place him higher, but he was a very selfish hitter.

6 - Jimmie Fox. Until his early thirties he was top three.

7 - Rogers Hornsby. Hit over .400 three times. Had the only 40 home run and .400 batting average season in history. Thrived in both the dead ball and live ball eras.

8 - Mickey Mantle. ' THE MICK' what more needs to be said. Would have been MUCH higher on the list had it not been for injuries and alcohol.

9 - Johnny Mize. Another great what if due to WWII, but the part we know about was awesome.

10 - Joe DiMaggio. Another WWI what if.

HONORABLE MENTION

1 - Stan Musial. I hate to leave him out, but he played 4 of the 5 war years against inferior competitors which inflate his numbers.

2 - Mike Trout. If you ask me in 2035, he most likely ... barring injury or sudden drug/alcohol abuse ... will make the list.

3 - Joey Votto. At the end of 2017 I would have placed him at #10. You'd have to have watched him daily to really understand why. Joey got old young, but perhaps he can yet put it all together again. HUGE Joe Joe fan here.

DISHONORABLE MENTION

Manny Ramirez. CHEATER.

Mark McGwire. CHEATER

Barry Bonds. CHEATER.

'Shoeless' Joe Jackson. A career cut short by his own hand. A great shame.

Ask name tomorrow and the order may change as several are pretty close.
That's a good one, and my list today and tomorrow ... (show quote)


Henry Aaron took 3 times as long to beat Babe Ruth.
Look at number of at bats and no one comes close to Babe Ruth.
If anyone tried long enough they could beat Babe and that is why Henry really does not come even close.

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Jul 27, 2020 06:28:13   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
SteveR wrote:
An interesting paragraph from an SI article just after Yogi's passing.

"Even today, Berra's offensive totals more than hold their own among his catching peers. Only four players who spent the majority of their time at catcher (Ivan Rodriguez, Ted Simmons, Carlton Fisk and Jason Kendall) have surpassed him in hits, only three (Mike Piazza, Bench and Fisk) in homers and only two (Rodriguez and Fisk, the Pudges) in runs. Berra remains unsurpassed in RBIs as well as All-Star appearances (18, from 15 seasons plus three of the four years in which two games were played)."

Simmons had more hits than Yogi. Interestingly, no catcher has had more RBI's than Yogi.
An interesting paragraph from an SI article just a... (show quote)


Yogi's numbers are most interesting. His World Series' stats are as a right fielder. Tony Perez (another dangerous man at bat) once said "I see the ball, I hit the ball." That can be applied to Berra, also. Dave Winfield and Tony Gwynn had significant hitting stats.

One of baseball's most interesting kinds of hitters was George Foster. Cincinnati needed a left fielder to complete the BRM. They got unheralded Foster from the Giants for two guys shinning shoes. Foster took over in left field and started terrorizing NL pitchers. However, Foster was inserted in a line-up of very good hitters all. In August of '75 the Red's starting eight were all hitting over .300 and they led the Dodgers by an embarrassing large number. Foster then went on to hit a NL leading 52 hrs. and took his circus to the Mets. His numbers soon returned to before-BRM era and now George in more widely known for his role as an "Activist".

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Jul 27, 2020 06:32:03   #
rlaugh Loc: Michigan & Florida
 
LWW wrote:
That's a good one, and my list today and tomorrow might vary a bit based on my mood:

1 - Henry Aaron. Broke Ruth's home run run record, broke Musial's NL hit record, won a triple crown and did it with a 175-180 lb frame and death threats. Even though he had the lowest career OPS of any on my list, he also played on some totally sorry teams with no support and his last two years were abysmal. Also Henry would drop a bunt down if needed and try for a sacrifice fly if needed.Also I have more first hand experience watching him than any on the list.

2 - Ted Williams. The great unknown. What might his numbers have been had he not served in WWII and the Korean conflict.

3 - I pick Lou Gehrig over Ruth because Ruth had Gehrig batting behind him while Gehrig had Bob Meusel hitting behind him, plus Gehrig had a career cut short by ALS.

4 - George Herman Ruth. Maybe not the best, but the most dominant at his peak. Lou helped.

5 - Tyrus Raymond Cobb. I would place him higher, but he was a very selfish hitter.

6 - Jimmie Fox. Until his early thirties he was top three.

7 - Rogers Hornsby. Hit over .400 three times. Had the only 40 home run and .400 batting average season in history. Thrived in both the dead ball and live ball eras.

8 - Mickey Mantle. ' THE MICK' what more needs to be said. Would have been MUCH higher on the list had it not been for injuries and alcohol.

9 - Johnny Mize. Another great what if due to WWII, but the part we know about was awesome.

10 - Joe DiMaggio. Another WWI what if.

HONORABLE MENTION

1 - Stan Musial. I hate to leave him out, but he played 4 of the 5 war years against inferior competitors which inflate his numbers.

2 - Mike Trout. If you ask me in 2035, he most likely ... barring injury or sudden drug/alcohol abuse ... will make the list.

3 - Joey Votto. At the end of 2017 I would have placed him at #10. You'd have to have watched him daily to really understand why. Joey got old young, but perhaps he can yet put it all together again. HUGE Joe Joe fan here.

DISHONORABLE MENTION

Manny Ramirez. CHEATER.

Mark McGwire. CHEATER

Barry Bonds. CHEATER.

'Shoeless' Joe Jackson. A career cut short by his own hand. A great shame.

Ask name tomorrow and the order may change as several are pretty close.
That's a good one, and my list today and tomorrow ... (show quote)


I agree with 90% of your picks and order!!...good job!

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Jul 27, 2020 06:40:43   #
rlaugh Loc: Michigan & Florida
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Henry Aaron took 3 times as long to beat Babe Ruth.
Look at number of at bats and no one comes close to Babe Ruth.
If anyone tried long enough they could beat Babe and that is why Henry really does not come even close.


I believe I read where there were years where Babe Ruth hit more home runs than the rest of the league put together!

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Jul 27, 2020 07:12:08   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rlaugh wrote:
I believe I read where there were years where Babe Ruth hit more home runs than the rest of the league put together!


That is possible.
I just remember when his record was broken and thought ok.
Then years later I was thinking about it and looked at the time frame for the record vs Henry.
I realized that if one keeps hitting home runs long enough they could break any record.
That is why I say to break the real record one will need to do it in the same length of time.

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Jul 27, 2020 07:17:10   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
No thoughts on Tony Gwynn? Not a home run hitter (though he could when needed), but higher average than Stan Musial, Rod Carew, Wade Boggs or Joe DiMaggio.

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Jul 27, 2020 07:26:42   #
Mark-VA
 
This should be split between those whose hits were powered by performance enhancing drugs and players like The Babe, whose homers were powered by hotdogs and beer!

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Jul 27, 2020 07:35:38   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
SteveR wrote:
I'm going to start off the list with Ted Williams and Babe Ruth.


Don't forget Bucky Dent.

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Jul 27, 2020 08:07:14   #
rlaugh Loc: Michigan & Florida
 
Architect1776 wrote:
That is possible.
I just remember when his record was broken and thought ok.
Then years later I was thinking about it and looked at the time frame for the record vs Henry.
I realized that if one keeps hitting home runs long enough they could break any record.
That is why I say to break the real record one will need to do it in the same length of time.



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Jul 27, 2020 08:22:48   #
rdemarco52 Loc: Wantagh, NY
 
Albert Pujols in his heyday. And Tony Oliva.

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Jul 27, 2020 08:28:19   #
rightofattila
 
When it comes to hitting, the use of performance-enhancing drugs has largely been blown out of proportion. When it comes to hitting home runs, hand-eye coordination is much more important than pure strength. If strength was all that mattered, then Charles Atlas body builders should be major league stars.

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Jul 27, 2020 08:28:29   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
That is possible.
I just remember when his record was broken and thought ok.
Then years later I was thinking about it and looked at the time frame for the record vs Henry.
I realized that if one keeps hitting home runs long enough they could break any record.
That is why I say to break the real record one will need to do it in the same length of time.


Didn't research the number of games - I imagine Aaron played more - but as for seasons, Aaron played 21. Babe Ruth played 22. But another consideration - more recent players face a lot more relievers and closers as well as playing night games.

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