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Jul 17, 2020 05:34:17   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 


D500 has a 10 fps frame rate and a buffer that can hold 200 images - so probably not the problem. Good thought though.

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Jul 17, 2020 05:41:50   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
CindyHouk wrote:
I think I figured out my issue with the external timer.....I need the D500 set to bulb mode....then the external timer works fine....just finished testing that. And no I don't have and xqd card...can't afford one of those just yet only have the sd card.

I had double checked to make sure that I didn't accidently hit the bracketing button as well....that was my first thought...have no clue why the internal intervalometer does that but at least I got the external one working....now if I can stay up late enough tonight to try again!

Thanks for the help!
I think I figured out my issue with the external t... (show quote)


That's the nice thing about using the Pixel - you can do exposures that are longer than the ones available in camera. Congrats on figuring this one out.

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Jul 17, 2020 05:53:51   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
CindyHouk wrote:
I need some help....I went out last night to our horse pasture to try to get some star trails....I set up the camera and Pixel Pro TW283 and thought I had everything correct to take 80 shots at 2 second intervals with a 30 second exposure.....NOPE.....after everything was done....I looked and I only got 40 shots...not sure why.

Here is my setup:

Nikon D500 with Sigma Sport 18-35 lens
Both camera and lens set to manual focus and lens set to infinity
Camera set to 30 second exposure F2.8 ISO 400
White balance set manual to 4500k
Raw
Center weight meter
Sandisk Extreme Pro 170 mb 64 gb card (formated for the evening so it is empty)

Pixel set to:

Delay - 5 seconds
Long - 00 00 30 --- for 30 second exposure
Intvl - 00 00 02 - for 2 seconds between shots
N1 - 80 -- total number of shots wanted
Repeat - 1
N2 - 01

So I hit the button and the camera starts....it sounds like it's going off every 30 seconds -- so I walk away and watch my Pixel reading....it's counting down like it should.

Once it all stops I head home and go to take the pics off the camera and I only have 40 shots instead of the 80.....anyone have a clue as to what I did wrong?

Looking at the Pixel today and watching what it does it goes like this:

I hit the start button - the delay counts down - then the screen goes to the Long with N1 flashing and the screen shows 80 (flashing) 00 30 (counting down), screen gets to 0 and switches to Intvl with 2 counting down - then goes back to Long N1 and 79 and starts all over again. As the counter is going the camera is clicking:

Once the delay gets to 0 the camera clicks and is engaged to take the shot - now when the Pixel gets to 0 for the first shot and switches to Intvl and starts counting down 2 -1 and that's when I hear the next click.

So to me it looks like it's working fine but it's not and I am baffled as to what I am doing wrong. Can anyone help me get this working correctly?

Here is the shot with just the 40 pics.
I need some help....I went out last night to our h... (show quote)


https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/a/tips-and-techniques/star-trails-with-the-nikon-d780.html?&utm_source=LE&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletterJune-7-15-2020&utm_content=btn&utm_term=article3&ET_CID=3382899&ET_RID=326496424&SC_ID=0032400000mbVXZAA2

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Jul 17, 2020 08:45:42   #
bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
CindyHouk wrote:
So I also tried with the internal timer on the camera and set it as follows:

interval 00 00 05 - for 5 seconds between shots
No of Intervals x shots/interval = 25 x 1 = for a total of 25 shots
Camera still set to 30 second exposure

Start now....the display shows 25 1F....so that should mean I get 25 shots right? As it's going...it doesn't sound like it is waiting the 5 seconds....as soon as the shutter closes, it opens again. Intervl is flashing on the display starts out at 25 1F on first shot, then goes to 18 1f on 2nd shot, then to 11 1f on 3rd shot, then 4 1f on 4th shot and then done and it stops! No more shots taken......I can't figure this out!
So I also tried with the internal timer on the cam... (show quote)


I don't have a D500 but on my D5600 internal timer the interval includes exposure plus time between exposures. Also if an interval is missed it is skipped. With the settings you describe 25 shots with an interval of 5 seconds would take 125 seconds with each exposure taking 6 intervals.

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Jul 17, 2020 09:29:53   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
On my Panasonic GX8, interval time equals exposure time plus time between shots. If your exposure time is 3o sec, and you want 2 seconds between shots, your interval time should be set at 32sec.

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Jul 17, 2020 11:32:20   #
Diptera Loc: SW Idaho
 
opps sent it twice. sorry

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Jul 17, 2020 11:36:39   #
Diptera Loc: SW Idaho
 
I use a D500 for star trails several times a year but as an alternative to using the in camera intervalometer I set my camera to continuous shooting mode, set my exposure to 30 sec, and lock my cable release to "on", set my stop watch to how ever long I want to shoot which is usually close to 2 hours to get nice trails. When the time is up I turn off the cable release lock and the camera stops shooting. I use an XQD card, I shoot RAW manual mode, usually iso 100 for star trails and there are no buffering problems. I get up to 380 exposures to stack and it works without a problem every time. Give it a try and see if it works for you.

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Jul 17, 2020 12:03:51   #
dleebrick Loc: Indian Land, South Carolina
 
CindyHouk wrote:


Once the delay gets to 0 the camera clicks and is engaged to take the shot - now when the Pixel gets to 0 for the first shot and switches to Intvl and starts counting down 2 -1 and that's when I hear the next click.


The key observation here is that the second click does not occur until the Intvl counter has counted down. That means that the exposure did not end until then. So, I did this experiment with my Canon 80D and my Aputure TR1C Intervalometer. Using your setup with camera in manual mode, my equipment behaved exactly like yours did, ie. only every other cycle of the intervalometer produced an exposure. Switching to Bulb mode achieved the expected number of shots. What is going on is that in Manual camera mode, the exposure time is not being controlled by the intervalometer, but is being controlled by the camera. The camera is not looking for a possible signal from the intervalometer until it is all done with its manual sequence. The camera is ready for an intervalometer signal by the time your "interval" timer has expired; that's why you here a click then.
To prove that to myself, I set the "length" parameter on my intervalometer to 40 seconds, leaving the "interval" set to 2 seconds. Sure enough, the camera terminated the exposure on its own, after its timer hit 30 seconds. As soon as data writing to the SD card was complete, it was ready for the next intervalometer command. The intervalometer continued to count down to 0 seconds, then did the "interval" timing and when the next 40 second cycle started, the camera launched its next 30 second exposure.
So, to avoid the camera and the intervalometer "fighting" with each other for control of the exposure, you need to be in "bulb" mode, which you have already concluded. This experiment does clear up some confusion on my part; I'll be sure to use "bulb" mode the next time I'm doing time lapse work.

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Jul 17, 2020 12:38:03   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
Your interval setting has to be set at 42 seconds. timed exposure (40sec) + time between shots (2sec).

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Jul 17, 2020 16:01:36   #
EddieE Loc: Dallas, TX
 
I gave up on using an intervalometer a long time ago. It never worked for me the way I thought it should. Perhaps I wasn't taking the right drugs to make it work. However, if you set the SS for 30 seconds. Plug in a wired remote that locks, and have at it. It will take the 30-second shot, then immediately takes the next shot. No time gap. I use a D-750 and no buffer issues. You want 80 shots, walk away for 40 minutes. I will never try to program an intervalometer again.

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Jul 17, 2020 16:14:46   #
dleebrick Loc: Indian Land, South Carolina
 

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Jul 17, 2020 20:29:57   #
CindyHouk Loc: Nw MT
 
Gene51 wrote:
That's the nice thing about using the Pixel - you can do exposures that are longer than the ones available in camera. Congrats on figuring this one out.


Thanks!! It was driving me nuts!

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Jul 17, 2020 20:55:35   #
CindyHouk Loc: Nw MT
 
billnikon wrote:
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/a/tips-and-techniques/star-trails-with-the-nikon-d780.html?&utm_source=LE&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletterJune-7-15-2020&utm_content=btn&utm_term=article3&ET_CID=3382899&ET_RID=326496424&SC_ID=0032400000mbVXZAA2


That's for the D780....my d500 doesn't have all those features...but I did change the interval to 31 seconds and tested....still not working right...but I will keep playing and will eventually figure it out.

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Jul 17, 2020 20:56:39   #
CindyHouk Loc: Nw MT
 
bcplimpton wrote:
I don't have a D500 but on my D5600 internal timer the interval includes exposure plus time between exposures. Also if an interval is missed it is skipped. With the settings you describe 25 shots with an interval of 5 seconds would take 125 seconds with each exposure taking 6 intervals.


Thanks...I think that's what I was doing wrong.

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Jul 17, 2020 21:05:06   #
CindyHouk Loc: Nw MT
 
Diptera wrote:
I use a D500 for star trails several times a year but as an alternative to using the in camera intervalometer I set my camera to continuous shooting mode, set my exposure to 30 sec, and lock my cable release to "on", set my stop watch to how ever long I want to shoot which is usually close to 2 hours to get nice trails. When the time is up I turn off the cable release lock and the camera stops shooting. I use an XQD card, I shoot RAW manual mode, usually iso 100 for star trails and there are no buffering problems. I get up to 380 exposures to stack and it works without a problem every time. Give it a try and see if it works for you.
I use a D500 for star trails several times a year ... (show quote)


What a great idea......I am going to test this out but I don't have a XQD card yet....will see if it works to just a regular SD card. Well dang....the Pixel pro TW283 doesn't have a lock "on"....I can't lock the shutter button down like you can....dang it!!

What cable release do you use?

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