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Jul 14, 2020 08:23:00   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Strodav wrote:
Have both the Tamron 150-600mm f/5-6.3 G2 and Nikon 200-500mm f5.6 along with the Nikon 1.4TC III on both a D500 and D850. Did a side by side comparison of the Nikon and G2 and both are about as sharp in the center, but G2 sharpness falls off quickly just off center and the Nikon is much sharper right out to the corners. Although the Tamron claims it is a 600mm lens, mine is not. It is closer to 550mm and I have read reviews saying the same thing. AF is much faster with the Nikon at longer focal lengths, probably because the Nikon is at f/5.6 throughout the zoom range where the G2 gets to f/6 somewhere around 325mm and to f/6.3 around 450mm.

Yes AF is slower using the 1.4x teleconverter, but AF in daylight conditions is OK using the center AF sensors (BBF is a must here), but I go to manual focus in deep shadows and as the light starts to fail. For a reach of 1.5 x 500 x 1.4 = 1050mm, I'm not complaining. I'm sure there is some degradation in IQ with the 1.4x teleconverter, but I it hasn't bothered me.

I also have a Nikon 600mm f/4 G, which I usually team up with a D850, but also use it on the D500. The IQ is amazing even compared to the 200-500mm f/5.6. When you need it, you need it and I have hiked long distances with that lens for those special situations, but for 90% of what I do the 200-500mm f/5.6 along with the 1.4x III teleconverter is more than adequate, especially for display on digital media even at 4k.
Have both the Tamron 150-600mm f/5-6.3 G2 and Niko... (show quote)


My experience is different. Though I have not directly compared the G2 with the 200-500 as I own neither. I did compare the Sport with the 200-500 and found the Sport considerably better, even without the TC on the 200-500. AF was crisp and fast, not dissimilar to the 200-500. But with a 1.4 TC the Nikon just didn't cut the mustard. I wanted something that would give me high quality images at 600mm, and the Sigma gave me that. I was spoiled by my 600mmF4 and found the 200-500 inadequate for my needs.

I participate in Nikon's NPS program, so I had borrowed a 200-500 on two different occasions. I later also borrowed two different copies of the G2 from frineds and found them both to be fine and quite similar to the Sport.

With a D850 I suspect you are seeing differences that I cannot detect with the D810. However I don't think a 1/3 difference in maximum aperture causes a noticeable difference in AF performance. At least not as much as the 1 stop difference when you put a 1.4TC on the 200-500.

Anyway, my results with the Sport, the 200-500, and the original Tamron and Sigma C - all of which I had tried prior to settling on the Sport - were very similar to what was measured in the Photography Life article I posted the link to:

https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-200-500mm-f5-6e-vr

This review was just posted by Photography Life a couple of weeks ago, and it shows its strengths and weaknesses.

https://photographylife.com/reviews/tamron-sp-150-600mm-f5-6-3-g2

I actually purchased my Sport before becoming aware of the 200-500 review - but when I saw it, I knew I had made the right decision. It wasn't even close to my eyes. The Sigma was as good as my 600mmF4.

Things are a little different with the newer 500 F5.6. That lens is very sharp.


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Jul 14, 2020 09:45:20   #
makurow
 
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Jul 14, 2020 09:52:58   #
Charlie C Loc: North Liberty, IA
 
I have found the 1.4 is best. Any more than that degrades image quality. You also loose f stops.

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Jul 14, 2020 10:08:01   #
queencitysanta Loc: Charlotte, North Carolina
 
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Jul 14, 2020 10:11:04   #
photoman43
 
I would get the Nikon 1.4 TC III.

With any teleconverter on a zoom lens, add it only when you need more reach than 500mm, or the max focal length of the lens. Adding it when shooting at shorter foal lengths just slows down AF and may hurt image quality.

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Jul 14, 2020 10:35:10   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
f8lee wrote:
You do not mention what camera you use - with the light loss a TC creates you must check to see if that camera body's autofocus will be capable of working at f8 (or f11 is you get a 2X TC).


She did mention the D500. I have the TC 1.4 III and I’ve used it with the 200-500 on a D500. Still testing to see if it’s any better than cropping. I don’t really have anything else I would use it on.

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Jul 14, 2020 12:24:15   #
sandiegosteve Loc: San Diego, CA
 
TC's can be great. On my D500, there is a little image degradation from them, but more than acceptable to me over cropping. I'm only using them on Primes as I don't have a push pull long zoom. I've borrowed a 200-500 and got good results with the 1.4.

The biggest problem I have between my 1.4 and 2.0 is the reduction in AF speed. Yes, you need higher ISO or slower shutter with the 2.0, but AF is slower.

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Jul 14, 2020 12:30:47   #
george19
 
I don’t use a teleconverter with this lens, but I end up cropping away more than 75% of the picture at 500 mm with my D810. This is shooting great blue herons from less than 100 yards. Just something to think about when trying to determine reach.

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Jul 14, 2020 12:33:19   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
george19 wrote:
I don’t use a teleconverter with this lens, but I end up cropping away more than 75% of the picture at 500 mm with my D810. This is shooting great blue herons from less than 100 yards. Just something to think about when trying to determine reach.


I haven’t tried mine on the Z7 but you are gonna be cropping considerably more on a full frame than my D500.

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Jul 14, 2020 13:32:31   #
Rmccully
 
Very interesting thread. I was wondering if any of you have experience with a 1.4 TC with the nikkor 300 mm f4. I would be using it on the d7500. Thanks.

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Jul 14, 2020 13:55:15   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
MrBumps2U wrote:
I have the same gear as the OP (D500/200-500) and did my own real life testing of this question. Setting up with a tripod and remote trigger on the banks of a pretty wide river, i took a series of shots of the signs posted in the channels, to compare the clarity of the lettering with and without the TC-14III. No wind to speak of and good sunlight. The cropped images without the TC were more legible and the detail of the signs clearer than those with the TC. There may be circumstances in which the TC provides superior results, but this testing made my decision for me.
I have the same gear as the OP (D500/200-500) and ... (show quote)


This is what I have been preaching for some time now .....

I tried the Sigma Sport on Canon 80D - very disappointing .....
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Jul 14, 2020 14:18:55   #
TonyBrown
 
I only use my 1.4 on my 300f4 pf. As far as I’m concerned it just doesn’t perform well enough on the super zooms or even my 500pf.

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Jul 14, 2020 15:55:35   #
TomHackett Loc: Kingston, New York
 
I have a Nikon TC-20E that I got to use on my D850 with a 70-200mm lens. I quickly concluded that I get a sharper result using the 70-200 native and cropping the result to the angle of view given by the TC-20E. The TC-20E introduces too much softness. The TC-20E will give you more pixels than cropping the image resulting from the bare 200mm lens. But you might get just as good a result by cropping the image to the 400mm angle of view and then upsampling the number of pixels in software. It depends on what you're after.

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Jul 14, 2020 15:58:34   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
TomHackett wrote:
I have a Nikon TC-20E that I got to use on my D850 with a 70-200mm lens. I quickly concluded that I get a sharper result using the 70-200 native and cropping the result to the angle of view given by the TC-20E. The TC-20E introduces too much softness. The TC-20E will give you more pixels than cropping the image resulting from the bare 200mm lens. But you might get just as good a result by cropping the image to the 400mm angle of view and then upsampling the number of pixels in software. It depends on what you're after.
I have a Nikon TC-20E that I got to use on my D850... (show quote)



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