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Jun 15, 2020 10:21:07   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
eviemyoung wrote:
Hi Larry. Thank you for your informative letter on these pieces of equipment. I thank you because I own a D500 (upgraded from a 300S) and an 18 to 200 lens. These are my favourite go to's. I would consider upgrading my lens but due to cost, weight and versatility, I will stick to these for now. I use many sharpening and noise reduction software programs and I so far feel that I am happy with my combo. I do have some prime lenses and can see that they are much sharper than my 18-200 but not as useful. So my question is if you can recommend another lens that is just as versatile, weight wise, and not costly, I would consider it. Thanks again.
Hi Larry. Thank you for your informative letter on... (show quote)


Hi. Thanks for the comment. First...there are a ton of lenses made by Nikon that I have not used and am not familiar with, so this reply can be based only on my experience. I am glad that you also find the 18-200 serviceable on the D500. I have used (and still do) the 17-55mm f2.8 DX zoom for critical applications. It is a top-tier lens, and even though it is of an older design, it still yields "premium" results. But it is heavy and has a limited zoom range. When I went looking for an alternative, I ended up with a 24-128mm f4 full frame zoom. It is also a "Gold Ring" lens. Many feel that it isn't very good, but I have no complaints. It does fit just below the 17-55 or the 24-70mm f2.8 in the overall scheme of things, and I find it very versatile. There is a little loss of wide angle range, but I'm OK with that, and can use other lenses if needed. Many here like the 16-80mm f2.8/f4 zoom, but it didn't impress me. Despite a pretty high price (for both new and used lenses), It didnt impress me as being very well built, and it turns out to have a maximum aperture of f4 over almost all of its range. Nice used copies of the 24-120, perhaps because of the lesser reputation, are available for about $400-450. Your spelling of a couple of words leads me to believe that you might just be from somewhere other than the US. If thats the case, pricing might be different.

Have fun as you look.

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Jun 15, 2020 11:34:51   #
eviemyoung
 
Thanks for the update, Larry. Yes I am not from US. I am Canadian. I still think none of the lenses you mentioned have the extension of the 18 -200. They may be better in sharpness but I also need the zoom. My friend has a newer version which is the 18-300 but it is not enough to make me buy it. I will for now keep my 18-200 going until it breaks or Nikon or any of the other companies come out with something that will suit my. needs. If that happens, I will consider the 24-120. And Thanks again for your input.

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Jun 15, 2020 11:37:45   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I found a Tamron 28 -300 a great lens for sharp and fast focusing

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Jun 15, 2020 11:42:47   #
eviemyoung
 
well there is another one to consider. Thanks for the info.

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Jun 15, 2020 11:49:17   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
eviemyoung wrote:
Thanks for the update, Larry. Yes I am not from US. I am Canadian. I still think none of the lenses you mentioned have the extension of the 18 -200. They may be better in sharpness but I also need the zoom. My friend has a newer version which is the 18-300 but it is not enough to make me buy it. I will for now keep my 18-200 going until it breaks or Nikon or any of the other companies come out with something that will suit my. needs. If that happens, I will consider the 24-120. And Thanks again for your input.
Thanks for the update, Larry. Yes I am not from US... (show quote)


Good luck as you search. And thanks for finding my typo. Don't know how that 24-120mm lens might have found another 8mm. Like in many other endeavors (endeavours?), working through the various tradeoffs can be one of the "good" challenges and quite a bit of the fun.

You live in a beautiful country. I've not seen all of it, but have been to the Winnipeg area (as a young child), Windsor, Victoria (which is fascinating), and Vancouver (one of the world's great cities). Next on the list is a visit to the Maritimes. Have fun!

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Jun 15, 2020 12:04:51   #
eviemyoung
 
I live in montreal which has its own charm ( like a European City) but lucky you going to the Maritimes. I have been to Nova Scotia, PEI and Newfoundland twice (talk about unbelievable people) Love love love Newfoundland. We were planning another trip out there this summer but will postpone it till next summer. It is glorious. Sorry for using this platform for this note.

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Jun 15, 2020 22:53:40   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
hrblaine wrote:
"I want to be very clear here. My intent is absolutely not to cast aspersions on any piece of equipment. My intent was to determine for myself whether I was correct to encourage folks who can do so to be open to updating and upgrading equipment. The technology has advanced a long way in the past 25 years. It has advanced a long way in the past 13 years or so since I got my first digital cameras. It has advanced a long way in the 10 years since the D300 was introduced. I believe that we may be approaching a point at which advances will be quite a bit more gradual.

I had a pretty cool closing paragraph all worked out in my head, but I'll not include it here. Instead, I'll just say that I know that I have written several places about my friend who creates great art with modest materials and supplies. I haven't divulged until now that she would really like to have a camera with additional capabilities. She has several specific reasons behind that desire. I would ask that we be careful telling folks that "It's the photographer, not the camera," or "Learn to use what you have now." I've noticed that it seems to be mostly be photographers with very capable equipment who tell people one or the other of those things."

I'm not an engineer or a pro photographer but I'm not an idiot either as I have three college degrees (BA MA, Ohio State and JD, Yale). Also, I'm 89 so I have a long lifetime of experience, got my first 35mm (a Contax) from the PX while serving in Korea during the "war". I have found that as I get older, I do less and less photography. For a while, I was burning up 35mm film at an alarming rate. :-) I have never moved on from my 12mp 5Dc although I do have a drawer full of lens but use only a few at this point. I guess if I had to limit myself, I'd keep three or four, the longest being my 70-300, plus maybe a 35 and a 70-200 f4.0 and probably a 50/55 or maybe an 85 which I used a lot in my film days, shooting theatre and dance while at Ohio State. I field trial pointers and spaniels so a lot of my shooting is with dogs. Other than that, land and city scapes, no portraits, not many of people, maybe a few at trials or with dogs. Since I print mostly 8x10s, my 5Dc seems able to meet my needs. Plus, if I had an extra two grand, I'd buy a dog not a camera! Harry

Oh - and I don't tell folks anything, I let them make their own mistakes! <g>
"I want to be very clear here. My intent is ... (show quote)


As a war veteran of 89, you have earned the right to brag about your degrees. Thanks for your service to all of us, and keep on shooting. >Alan

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Jun 16, 2020 08:53:17   #
wham121736 Loc: Long Island, New York
 
Nonsense. When the cook makes a great meal do we admire the pots use?
CHG_CANON wrote:
What’s the point of our photography? Everything seems absurd until someone admires our equipment.

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Jun 16, 2020 09:10:35   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Those who lack the best equipment never lack for excuses.

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Jun 16, 2020 10:36:57   #
tomglass Loc: Yorktown, VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
We don't need mathematics or decision trees to see the beauty a new camera will bring.



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Jun 16, 2020 11:57:42   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
wham121736 wrote:
Nonsense. When the cook makes a great meal do we admire the pots use?


Maybe not out loud. But if we are honest, we often would like to know how they accomplished some things that we may have found difficult or impossible...

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Jun 16, 2020 11:58:16   #
JohnK
 
Description of how slow the one camera was reminds me of the first 35mm I used was a Practica, and if you tried squeezing the shutter slowly you found yourself without a view, as the mirror came up and the shutter was not yet tripped. How great it was to use a Pentax, who I believe invented the instant return mirror. Or a 2 1/4 Bronica, that had a split mirror, part went down & part up, then shutters covered them, then the shutter tripped and the two shutters went back & the mirrors returned then 4 turns of the crank advanced the film and recocked everything. Then in response to all the noise everyone turned to see what was going on!

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Jun 16, 2020 12:15:56   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
A great chef can achieve wonders in the kitchen with only basic ingredients and the right attitude, the rest of us are always left wondering whether his camera has a mirror.

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Jun 16, 2020 13:23:38   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
oregonfrank wrote:
“A certain banal reasoning......”

Some on this forum devote substantial time and effort to photography, and thus become expert. Most of us, I would guess, do photography because we enjoy it — simple as that. I have some nice equipment, which I enjoy having. I also have taken some nice photos that I enjoyed taking and enjoy having. What I do not enjoy, however, is the “talking down” from members who have chosen to devote a bigger chunk of their lives to photography than most of the rest of us. I am willing to learn what I want to learn from those who have accomplished more. But just because I am not an expert is no reason to indirectly refer to photographers like me as “happy idiots.”
Frank
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"Happy idiot" is not an insult. We are ALL happy idiots at something. Life is too big to experience everything on a deeper level. Some things we just accept on a very basic level, without needing to develop expertise. The vast majority of us are "innocently ignorant" on thousands of fronts. And that is perfectly okay, most of the time. Then, either we hire a pro, or we focus intently on learning what to do.

The banal reasoning, however, is real. It is a trap of believing that better equipment is the answer to all one's photographic challenges. If I know what to do with it, or I'm willing to learn, it may very well do what I expect. But if I can't invest in experience and learning, it likely won't fix much, and may prove more confusing, due to its added complexity.

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Jun 16, 2020 15:31:53   #
oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon
 
wham121736 wrote:
Nonsense. When the cook makes a great meal do we admire the pots use?


Agreed, but the owner of good pots isn’t necessarily looking for compliments on her equipment. That certainly is not my motive. I appreciate finely made equipment and tools, including camera gear, hand tools, measuring tools, firearms, etc. I got that from my Dad early on.
I have Nikon cameras, but if I could afford it I would have Hasselblad or Leica. Not that they would make me a better photographer, rather I would enjoy using such equipment. Back to cooking, some pots heat more evenly and therefore cook better. Same with camera gear.
I think we are overly dichotomizing this issue. It’s not either gear or photographic ability. Producing an interesting photo involves having gear that will capture what you want, skill in using that gear, and a degree of artistic appreciation. Few of us are equally strong in all 3 of these, but the outcome is a blend or integration. I am not intuitively artistic, but I admire those who are. So, I compensate by looking for beauty that already exists in nature and trying to capture some of it. Sometimes I am moderately successful. But even if I am not I enjoy the process. I suggest we stop judging each other for a focus on equipment or pretending that only pure artists, for whom equipment is irrelevant, can be photographers. I have found very little in life that I can regard as absolutely true. Frank

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