Gettysburg
Jun 12, 2020 18:08:45 #
Paul Diamond
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
jaymatt wrote:
Those who truly know the history of the war know that slavery was a side issue; the real reason for the war was economics.
Not everyone knows that the value of the slaves exceeded the total value of the land in the South. Large landowners knew. And Bankers knew.
The average Southern farmer was too poor to own a slave. The wealthy Southerners have been successful for more than 150 years at getting those less advantaged to work, fight and even die. They still do.
Jun 12, 2020 18:18:04 #
Paul Diamond wrote:
Not everyone knows that the value of the slaves exceeded the total value of the land in the South. Large landowners knew. And Bankers knew.
The average Southern farmer was too poor to own a slave. The wealthy Southerners have been successful for more than 150 years at getting those less advantaged to work, fight and even die. They still do.
The average Southern farmer was too poor to own a slave. The wealthy Southerners have been successful for more than 150 years at getting those less advantaged to work, fight and even die. They still do.
Jun 13, 2020 15:15:03 #
gplawhorn wrote:
I'm getting back into photography after a couple of years away. I was going through my catalog of images, and found a few from Gettysburg that hit me in a fresh way. If we destroy every remembrance of what we fought for and why, we are at a far greater risk of having to fight again.
Beautiful images! The sepia-tone really enhances the old-timey look.
What did Lenin do in Russia 1917? Tore down the statues and other references to the past.
Thanx for sharing.
Jun 15, 2020 17:32:00 #
Paul Diamond wrote:
Not everyone knows that the value of the slaves exceeded the total value of the land in the South. Large landowners knew. And Bankers knew.
The average Southern farmer was too poor to own a slave. The wealthy Southerners have been successful for more than 150 years at getting those less advantaged to work, fight and even die. They still do.
The average Southern farmer was too poor to own a slave. The wealthy Southerners have been successful for more than 150 years at getting those less advantaged to work, fight and even die. They still do.
The southern generals that you want to protect were fighting against the United States. There is really no reason to try and make them something that we should remember. They were traitors.
But that is my opinion. And I can't understand whar remembering them would do for anyone. I don't mean not remembering the war or the causes, but why glorify those who fought against the US.
Jun 15, 2020 23:11:31 #
topcat wrote:
The southern generals that you want to protect were fighting against the United States. There is really no reason to try and make them something that we should remember. They were traitors.
But that is my opinion. And I can't understand whar remembering them would do for anyone. I don't mean not remembering the war or the causes, but why glorify those who fought against the US.
But that is my opinion. And I can't understand whar remembering them would do for anyone. I don't mean not remembering the war or the causes, but why glorify those who fought against the US.
I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult to understand. The Southern states QUIT the union. (which they had every right to do) They were not traitors. You also have to remember this was an era when loyalty to a person's home state was greater than their loyalty to the federal government.
Here is a test of your opinion. Maryland was a slave state that fought on the union side. Should we remove any statues of Maryland officers that were slave holders?
Jun 15, 2020 23:37:29 #
I don't think that they should remove statues just because they are of slave owners, only if they fought against the United States.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slave owners.
Slavery is the original sin of America. It is something that we will always wrestle with.
The U.S. Constitutional Law case you need to read is Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868). The Southern States did have a legal right to secede, and all American states do have a right to secede, but you have to do it the right way. ... No state has the right to unilaterally change or alter the Constitution.
The south had no justified reason to secede from the union. They were still bound to the constitution, had no legal right to secede, and broke numerous laws such as forming an illegal alliance and attacking the United States (at Ft. Sumter). The constitution was created as the basis of the United States government.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slave owners.
Slavery is the original sin of America. It is something that we will always wrestle with.
The U.S. Constitutional Law case you need to read is Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868). The Southern States did have a legal right to secede, and all American states do have a right to secede, but you have to do it the right way. ... No state has the right to unilaterally change or alter the Constitution.
The south had no justified reason to secede from the union. They were still bound to the constitution, had no legal right to secede, and broke numerous laws such as forming an illegal alliance and attacking the United States (at Ft. Sumter). The constitution was created as the basis of the United States government.
Jun 24, 2020 09:37:00 #
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