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Jun 8, 2020 12:54:49   #
rcarol
 
Bison Bud wrote:
With today's pricing on memory in general, be it either hard drives, SSD's, SD cards, or USB drives, I find no real need for Cloud storage and prefer to do my own "in house" backups. I think this provides the best control over my data and it is not subject to anyone else's rules, fee's, or security lapses. Good luck and good shooting to all.


The only problem with your backup plan is that you have no off-site storage in the event of a fire or other catastrophe.

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Jun 8, 2020 13:31:02   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I have an external 500 MB backup drive. None of my photos are anywhere near multi-hundred (edited) megabytes in size. I use 2 cloud backups, Amazon and Carbonite.

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Jun 8, 2020 13:38:41   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Archival storage is something everyone should consider. But it all depends on how much you value your stuff. And by stuff, I mean everything on your computer, not just the photos.

Level 0: no archive. Everything is on your computer's hard drive. You risk it all. You can get wiped out by a lightning strike 30 miles away, coming through the power lines. If you don't have anything you want to save on your computer, you can stop here.

Level 1: an external hard drive with a copy of everything on your hard drive. (Programs and Operating systems are easily replaced, so no need to copy them, but you should have a copy of your installation keys for the programs you use). This is a minimal archive. It can protect against accidental deletes. Line glitches can wipe out everything on your computer and your archival disk if the disk is connected to the computer.

Level 2: two or more external hard drives with a copy of everything. At least one of the hard drives is stored off-site to protect against local disasters.

Level 3: two or more external hard drives and a cloud account. The hard drives give you level 2 protection and the cloud account gives you protection against regional disasters (such as the Paradise fire, where the whole town burned, probably including everything that was in the local bank vault).

If you choose levels 1-3, consider that an essential part of archiving is maintenance. Hard drives have a finite lifetime. Copy the data to a new hard drive every couple years to protect against aging failures. This also gives you the opportunity to increase the capacity of your system since you have been taking more photos, producing more word processing documents and spreadsheets, getting more email, etc....

Local storage (the external hard drives) will be your primary archive. If you have to restore something, that is where you turn first. There are no bandwidth issues and the download time is fast. Cloud storage is secondary. It's there if all your primary archives fail. Your local hard drives are maintained by an amateur (you), and are all in close proximity to each other. Cloud storage devices are maintained by professionals, and are duplicated across countries, if not continents. Local storage is convenient. Cloud storage is safe. (Assuming you choose a reputable cloud provider).
Archival storage is something everyone should cons... (show quote)


👍👍 well said.

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Jun 8, 2020 13:57:16   #
TomFama
 
I use Backblaze. They provide continuous backup and unlimited space for a reasonable price ($60/yr). The initial backup may take one or two weeks, but this happens in the background. After that it is totally seamless. About 3 years ago I had a hard drive failure. Backblaze sent a new 4 GB hard drive with all my files. They offer you a choice: You can copying the files and return the hard drive for about $60, or keep the hard (which I did) for about $200. The current prices may be different. I never had an issue with them and highly recommend you check out backblaze.com
Tom Fama

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Jun 8, 2020 14:25:21   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Go professional and buy Dropbox storage. I have no limits on file size, performance is excellent, and I keep my Lightroom and export folders in Dropbox, so backup is realtime. You have discovered that thrid tier cloud services are dangerous.

But you should also never, ever have all your eggs in one basket. Just like keeping everything on 1 external hard drive runs a huge risk of drive failure.

A few years ago, the HD that held my photo directories failed. I lost about a 4 Tb of date, including 2½ Tb of movies scanned from (my own) DVDs. My photographs were in Dropbox and were protected. Installing a new HD and letting everything restore overnight was simple.

Now, I have all critical files on a Drobo 5C RAID array, backed up by Dropbox, and mirrored several times per week on a Netgear NAS using Acronis True image.

The setup was not inexpensive, but far less of an expense compared to what I might loose.
Go professional and buy Dropbox storage. I have n... (show quote)


I do the same thing with Dropbox, plus I have an external drive that backs up incrementally every night and I have some 2 TB external drives that I back up to "manually" and store about 60 miles away where I rotate the 2 TB drives. I haven't gone to RAID - yet. Another advantage with Dropbox is that I have access to all of my photos on my phone, laptop and tablet whenever I'm away from home. It's currently $200/year for a 3 TB account and I think it's worth it. It's also about as easy as it gets for sharing files with friends and family.

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Jun 8, 2020 14:45:04   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Archival storage is something everyone should consider. But it all depends on how much you value your stuff. And by stuff, I mean everything on your computer, not just the photos.

Level 0: no archive. Everything is on your computer's hard drive. You risk it all. You can get wiped out by a lightning strike 30 miles away, coming through the power lines. If you don't have anything you want to save on your computer, you can stop here.

Level 1: an external hard drive with a copy of everything on your hard drive. (Programs and Operating systems are easily replaced, so no need to copy them, but you should have a copy of your installation keys for the programs you use). This is a minimal archive. It can protect against accidental deletes. Line glitches can wipe out everything on your computer and your archival disk if the disk is connected to the computer.

Level 2: two or more external hard drives with a copy of everything. At least one of the hard drives is stored off-site to protect against local disasters.

Level 3: two or more external hard drives and a cloud account. The hard drives give you level 2 protection and the cloud account gives you protection against regional disasters (such as the Paradise fire, where the whole town burned, probably including everything that was in the local bank vault).

If you choose levels 1-3, consider that an essential part of archiving is maintenance. Hard drives have a finite lifetime. Copy the data to a new hard drive every couple years to protect against aging failures. This also gives you the opportunity to increase the capacity of your system since you have been taking more photos, producing more word processing documents and spreadsheets, getting more email, etc....

Local storage (the external hard drives) will be your primary archive. If you have to restore something, that is where you turn first. There are no bandwidth issues and the download time is fast. Cloud storage is secondary. It's there if all your primary archives fail. Your local hard drives are maintained by an amateur (you), and are all in close proximity to each other. Cloud storage devices are maintained by professionals, and are duplicated across countries, if not continents. Local storage is convenient. Cloud storage is safe. (Assuming you choose a reputable cloud provider).
Archival storage is something everyone should cons... (show quote)


All of us at Level 3 thank you.

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Jun 8, 2020 15:41:43   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
d2b2 wrote:
I have used SugarSync For a number of years. Yesterday, I discovered that none of my photo backup files were on their system. Within the past year, I had increased my capacity with them, because of the number of files I was building up and wanted to have backed up by a cloud system, in the future.

Now, without any warning of which I was aware, they have suddenly decided that they would no longer entertain any files larger than 300MB. Since I was doing a lot of RAW work, it was not unusual for me to have far more than 300MB in any given file.

Keep in mind that I have had my files there in that kind of size all along, for years. But what I discovered was that all of my files that were larger than 300MB had suddenly disappeared from their site! In fact, what I discovered was that all of my multiple photo files had now simply vanished from the backup system. I had paid additionally for greater capacity, but I'm now using less than 9% of what I had paid for, in advance. From previous experience, I should be using about 50% of the capacity for which I was enrolled.

So I am asking any of you in the group, who has used SugarSync? And have you had similar difficulties?
I have used SugarSync For a number of years. Yest... (show quote)


Never heard of them. I only get 4 hits when I search for Sugarsync and 2 of them are not English. The other 2 do not appear to be anywhere near being a cloud backup service.

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Jun 8, 2020 15:56:10   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
Agree with IDrive. Reasonably priced and excellent responsive tech support.

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Jun 8, 2020 16:24:51   #
mffox Loc: Avon, CT
 
Sadly, I learned my lesson the hard way re. cloud based storage a long while ago: lost everything!!

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Jun 8, 2020 16:30:49   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
mffox wrote:
Sadly, I learned my lesson the hard way re. cloud based storage a long while ago: lost everything!!


What did you take from your experience?
Never use cloud storage?
Never use cloud storage from a minor player?
Always use a reputable cloud storage provider?

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Jun 8, 2020 16:38:58   #
Nikon1201
 
I’ve used Backblaze for years till I got my new pc . Complicated to transfer with no support . Went with Carbonite , they have a phone # . I also back up to 2 1 tb external every 2 weeks.

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Jun 8, 2020 16:44:36   #
flashdaddy Loc: Berlin PA
 
I have a 500 SSD C-drive in my PC and 2-1TB drives of which one is partitioned for use as my scratch disk. I backup every weekend to a 2TB bare drive in a dock using Acronis (which I don't like!). I have two of these 2TB drives which I switch each week and they are kept off-premise. I also backup using Backblaze.

iDrive seems interesting as I'd like to have something that would back up my daily changes to the images I'm working on as I don't perform a daily backup, except for Backblaze. If I read correctly it would back up as I go, so that when I shut down my PC and go home I'd be covered. Just wondering if there would be any conflict between Backblaze and iDrive.

I have a second PC that I use here for things on the web and to do some recording of webinars and YouTube info. Also, there is another PC that my part-timer uses when she helps me with some of my Photoshop work. From what I'm reading, these other two PCs could also be set up to be backed up (also, Laptop at home). Is this right? I'd be looking at the 5TB plan.

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Jun 8, 2020 17:13:15   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
I want to emphasize something that I noticed others mentioned about "professional" backups.

Whether you have your own or remote or both, there should be what we IT guys called "generations" and, of course, they should be checked periodically. You can have three generations and still lose everything to a corrupted primary copy. I know that from learning the hard way.

Good professional sources will have generations and redundancy and even multiple physical locations in some cases.

And yes, your stuff on your computer very likely is important even if not pictures. I know mine is. The OS and the apps can be replaced but the data cannot.

Watch out for backup that can't be scheduled because you can otherwise be chewing up too much bandwidth on email archives. But do make sure your resource DOES back up email. In the fine print I have seen some that don't.

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Jun 8, 2020 19:03:07   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
mffox wrote:
Sadly, I learned my lesson the hard way re. cloud based storage a long while ago: lost everything!!


Who was the company and what were the circumstances?. A MAJOR cloud provider has NEVER gone belly up, and when the 2nd tier provider, Nirvanix, went out of business about 6-7 years ago, customers were given 60 days notice to move their files.

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Jun 8, 2020 19:46:05   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
I not clear for what you are looking for - photo storage you can access and display or archived data. If it is the 2nd you need to look at backblaze.com. UNLIMITED STORAGE FOR $6/Month. Currently I have over 5.1 TB stored with them.

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