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Jun 5, 2020 02:22:28   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
twosummers wrote:
Most digital cameras have grid that you can superimpose on the viewfinder/liveview. Line up your verticals with the grid. Also keep the cameral completely level from a horizon perspective, again some cameras have a level too. Often tripods have built in spirit levels. If you can get things level this way it saves time sorting in out later in post processing where you will lose some of your view in so doing.


There are cool little accessory levels that snap into the flash shoe. I find mine very useful.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=camera%20level&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma

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Jun 5, 2020 05:10:59   #
dyximan
 
aellman wrote:
There are cool little accessory levels that snap into the flash shoe. I find mine very useful.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=camera%20level&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma


Thank You

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Jun 5, 2020 05:48:38   #
User ID
 
I’ve noticed at least two posts recently stating that lens tilt controls/corrects perspective “distortion”. Many earlier posts do offer the correct instruction, that such correction is accomplished by shift ... not tilt.

Tilt controls the plane of best focus. Shift controls aim of the lens, allowing the user to aim up at a tall subject without having to tip the whole camera upward, allowing the sensor to remain parallel to the tall subject (typically a building facade).

If the max shift still doesn’t include the full subject height requiring you to tilt the camera up anyway, use of max shift has fortunately reduced the degree that you tip up the camera. That is helpful.

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FWIW, if you have tipped up the camera you have tilted the plane of best focus so it no longer perfectly coincides with the facade of a building. Use of the lens tilt will realign that plane with the facade. Again, tilt is for optimum focus and does not control perspective effects. Shift is for minimizing perspective effect.

In such examples as above, the upward shift is also called “rise”, just in case you’ve been reading “the classics” where the term is always “rise” :-)

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Jun 5, 2020 10:49:54   #
dyximan
 
User ID wrote:
I’ve noticed at least two posts recently stating that lens tilt controls/corrects perspective “distortion”. Many earlier posts do offer the correct instruction, that such correction is accomplished by shift ... not tilt.

Tilt controls the plane of best focus. Shift controls aim of the lens, allowing the user to aim up at a tall subject without having to tip the whole camera upward, allowing the sensor to remain parallel to the tall subject (typically a building facade).

If the max shift still doesn’t include the full subject height requiring you to tilt the camera up anyway, use of max shift has fortunately reduced the degree that you tip up the camera. That is helpful.

•=•=•=•==••=•=•=••==•=•=•=•.

FWIW, if you have tipped up the camera you have tilted the plane of best focus so it no longer perfectly coincides with the facade of a building. Use of the lens tilt will realign that plane with the facade. Again, tilt is for optimum focus and does not control perspective effects. Shift is for minimizing perspective effect.

In such examples as above, the upward shift is also called “rise”, just in case you’ve been reading “the classics” where the term is always “rise” :-)
I’ve noticed at least two posts recently stating t... (show quote)


I want to thank you for your Response concerning the Tilt shift lens.

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Jun 5, 2020 10:53:35   #
dyximan
 
User ID wrote:
I’ve noticed at least two posts recently stating that lens tilt controls/corrects perspective “distortion”. Many earlier posts do offer the correct instruction, that such correction is accomplished by shift ... not tilt.

Tilt controls the plane of best focus. Shift controls aim of the lens, allowing the user to aim up at a tall subject without having to tip the whole camera upward, allowing the sensor to remain parallel to the tall subject (typically a building facade).

If the max shift still doesn’t include the full subject height requiring you to tilt the camera up anyway, use of max shift has fortunately reduced the degree that you tip up the camera. That is helpful.

•=•=•=•==••=•=•=••==•=•=•=•.

FWIW, if you have tipped up the camera you have tilted the plane of best focus so it no longer perfectly coincides with the facade of a building. Use of the lens tilt will realign that plane with the facade. Again, tilt is for optimum focus and does not control perspective effects. Shift is for minimizing perspective effect.

In such examples as above, the upward shift is also called “rise”, just in case you’ve been reading “the classics” where the term is always “rise” :-)
I’ve noticed at least two posts recently stating t... (show quote)


That being said my original question was simply would the perspective be different when using a crop sensor versas a full frame sensor camera. And I believe in the few answers by people who actually answered it the answer is no.

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Jun 5, 2020 11:38:15   #
User ID
 
dyximan wrote:
That being said my original question was simply would the perspective be different when using a crop sensor versas a full frame sensor camera. And I believe in the few answers by people who actually answered it the answer is no.


You believe correctly.

Suppose you print such a FF image and then cut away a substantial amount of the print, like cutting an 8x12 down to about 5.5x8 inches. Clearly your scissors cannot alter the perspective of a finished paper print. Scissors have no optics and no software, right ?

I do hope it’s clear to anyone reading this that choice of sensor size is exactly the same as using scissors.

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Jun 5, 2020 13:39:58   #
dyximan
 
Thank you, I've used post processing To obtain the perspective I desire and know exactly what you mean obviously depending on the height of the building you do cut about 30 to 50% of the bottom off, For fun and an experiment I've rented a tilt shift lens for the week just to play with, Boy can they be expensive Id have to really need it to wanna drop 3 grand for the nikon version,

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Jun 6, 2020 21:32:14   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
User ID wrote:
I’ve noticed at least two posts recently stating that lens tilt controls/corrects perspective “distortion”. Many earlier posts do offer the correct instruction, that such correction is accomplished by shift ... not tilt.

Tilt controls the plane of best focus. Shift controls aim of the lens, allowing the user to aim up at a tall subject without having to tip the whole camera upward, allowing the sensor to remain parallel to the tall subject (typically a building facade).

If the max shift still doesn’t include the full subject height requiring you to tilt the camera up anyway, use of max shift has fortunately reduced the degree that you tip up the camera. That is helpful.

•=•=•=•==••=•=•=••==•=•=•=•.

FWIW, if you have tipped up the camera you have tilted the plane of best focus so it no longer perfectly coincides with the facade of a building. Use of the lens tilt will realign that plane with the facade. Again, tilt is for optimum focus and does not control perspective effects. Shift is for minimizing perspective effect.

In such examples as above, the upward shift is also called “rise”, just in case you’ve been reading “the classics” where the term is always “rise” :-)
I’ve noticed at least two posts recently stating t... (show quote)


This has always been "coin of the realm" to architectural photographers, who also have other "tricks," unknown to most photographers not in that field. >Alan

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