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May 28, 2020 13:04:56   #
Rmccully
 
The d7000 had one and I hated it. The images were not as sharp as I would like. I always check to make sure the camera does not one. The D7500 does not have an AA filter and I love it.

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May 28, 2020 13:30:25   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
Not needed. My D750 has one. wish it didn't. My eyes are bad so I really don't notice the difference.


I agree. I wish my Canon 5D IV didn't have one too. I've got spots on my sensor that can't be removed because they are between the AA filter and the sensor and Canon said they'd have to go deep into the camera disassembly to fix it. I'm very disappointed that the spots can't be removed. If I were to buy the Canon 5DS model, I'd but the 5DSr that doesn't have the AA filter. I don't know why they charge more for that body when they eliminate, don't add parts.....

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May 28, 2020 13:50:16   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
CatMarley wrote:
It also degrades the image somewhat.


The difference is so small, one wouldn't really be able to tell the difference other than through extensive test comparisons.

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May 28, 2020 15:14:40   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
rook2c4 wrote:
The difference is so small, one wouldn't really be able to tell the difference other than through extensive test comparisons.


Some who have both, would disagree with you.

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May 28, 2020 15:52:24   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
CatMarley wrote:
YES! Anti-aliasing filters are used to blur the lines between repeating patterns in order to avoid moire. Film grain was random, so repeating patterns did not result in moire. Digital sensor elements are laid out in a two by two square pattern in most cameras, which results in moire. Fuji sensors use a 6 x 6 pattern which offers greater randomization and avoids the use of AA filters. You do realize that anything designed to blur, will degrade your image. Most noise reducers do that also. The degradation is minimal, but it does exist, otherwise the moire effect would not be reduced.
YES! Anti-aliasing filters are used to blur the li... (show quote)


Excuse me, but their is NO image quality loss in the D5, you are mistaken and I would appreciate if you would not post that AA filters always degrade final images. It just IS NOT TRUE IN ALL CASES.

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May 28, 2020 17:14:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rook2c4 wrote:
The difference is so small, one wouldn't really be able to tell the difference other than through extensive test comparisons.



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May 28, 2020 17:23:50   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
billnikon wrote:
Excuse me, but their is NO image quality loss in the D5, you are mistaken and I would appreciate if you would not post that AA filters always degrade final images. It just IS NOT TRUE IN ALL CASES.




I guess the D5 must produce some really crappy photos.
That is sad for a $6,500 camera on sale for only $5,500 now.
Waste of money when your D7500 takes far superior photos to a D5 and at a fraction of the cost.

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May 28, 2020 17:29:56   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
CatMarley wrote:
Some who have both, would disagree with you.


I use both, and I completely disagree with you. I get great images from both my D850 and D5.

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May 28, 2020 17:37:24   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
billnikon wrote:
I use both, and I completely disagree with you. I get great images from both my D850 and D5.


How is it possible to get great photos with a D5 as it has the AA filter?

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May 28, 2020 18:44:45   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
billnikon wrote:
Excuse me, but their is NO image quality loss in the D5, you are mistaken and I would appreciate if you would not post that AA filters always degrade final images. It just IS NOT TRUE IN ALL CASES.


I hate to intrude on your belief system, but all the technical discussions in the literature that I have read, say that the AA filter is a compromise between a certain amount of blurring and the intrusion of the moire artifact. The non-random layout of the sensor elements makes it necessary. Sensors with a different layout do not require the AA and are sharper as a result. Please consult this link for a non tecnical explanation: https://camerajabber.com/anti-aliasing-filter-camera-explain-like-im-5/

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May 28, 2020 18:52:59   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
billnikon wrote:
Excuse me, but their is NO image quality loss in the D5, you are mistaken and I would appreciate if you would not post that AA filters always degrade final images. It just IS NOT TRUE IN ALL CASES.


Oh, and BTW, I will continue to post what I know to be factually true whether or not you appreciate it. I am sorry if the facts offend your pride of choice in cameras, but Science sometimes trumps faith.

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May 28, 2020 19:11:44   #
TucsonDave Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
CatMarley wrote:
Oh, and BTW, I will continue to post what I know to be factually true whether or not you appreciate it. I am sorry if the facts offend your pride of choice in cameras, but Science sometimes trumps faith.



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May 28, 2020 19:32:42   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CatMarley wrote:
I hate to intrude on your belief system, but all the technical discussions in the literature that I have read, say that the AA filter is a compromise between a certain amount of blurring and the intrusion of the moire artifact. The non-random layout of the sensor elements makes it necessary. Sensors with a different layout do not require the AA and are sharper as a result. Please consult this link for a non tecnical explanation: https://camerajabber.com/anti-aliasing-filter-camera-explain-like-im-5/
I hate to intrude on your belief system, but all t... (show quote)


True, and as you know all Nikon and Sony sensors have the pattern that does induce moire. So removing the AA filter for the extremely slight sharpness induces the moire.
I would imagine many users do not recognize the problem and the manufacturer is counting on it.

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May 28, 2020 21:06:48   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
CatMarley wrote:
Oh, and BTW, I will continue to post what I know to be factually true whether or not you appreciate it. I am sorry if the facts offend your pride of choice in cameras, but Science sometimes trumps faith.


OK, you post one of your's using a filter and I will post a better one using a filter. Talk is cheap, time for action folks. What have you got. Probably nothing, as usual with talking heads.

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May 28, 2020 21:25:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
billnikon wrote:
Excuse me, but their is NO image quality loss in the D5, you are mistaken and I would appreciate if you would not post that AA filters always degrade final images. It just IS NOT TRUE IN ALL CASES.


BTW, everyone knows it's the UV filter that impacts the image sharpness most ...

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