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May 12, 2020 10:43:30   #
drobvit Loc: Southern NV
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Have you heard of the term "barrier to entry". Our PS professors pontificating ideas like "Lightroom is a good solution for editing raw and cataloging - and for processing 100s or 1000s of images at a time - but it does not and cannot turn out a finished image, at least not by creative director standards" simply seek to erect barriers of entry protecting the self-perceived relevance of expertise in PS, where in reality, their statement only demonstrates a clear lack of expertise in Lightroom, nothing more.
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May 12, 2020 10:44:23   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
Whuff wrote:
In a previous topic where an O.P. asked what the best editing program was, a well respected and knowledgeable member said:

“ Lightroom is a good solution for editing raw and cataloging - and for processing 100s or 1000s of images at a time - but it does not and cannot turn out a finished image, at least not by creative director standards.“

This made me stop and wonder, since I don’t use Photoshop, why are my images that I mostly edit in Lightroom, with an occasional use of Nik filters or once in a while PS Elements, not finished? Of course, my standards don’t have to pass a creative director’s desk, so I simply edit to my own taste, but I’m wondering what more would I need to do in Photoshop, since apparently Lightroom “cannot turn out a finished image.”

Walt
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Is your Lightroom a subscription software?

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May 12, 2020 10:46:16   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
skipwv wrote:
How about a landscape? I would appreciate an art director’s view on that.


I'm not an art director, but I have helped quite a few of them better understand photography. I'm also not a big landscape shooter, but here's a landscape from this winter. Processed and finished completely in Lightroom (2nd image is camera JPEG for reference).

Joe


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May 12, 2020 10:52:00   #
Peanut-the-cat Loc: Bradenton, Florida, USA
 
Whuff wrote:
In a previous topic where an O.P. asked what the best editing program was, a well respected and knowledgeable member said:

“ Lightroom is a good solution for editing raw and cataloging - and for processing 100s or 1000s of images at a time - but it does not and cannot turn out a finished image, at least not by creative director standards.“

This made me stop and wonder, since I don’t use Photoshop, why are my images that I mostly edit in Lightroom, with an occasional use of Nik filters or once in a while PS Elements, not finished? Of course, my standards don’t have to pass a creative director’s desk, so I simply edit to my own taste, but I’m wondering what more would I need to do in Photoshop, since apparently Lightroom “cannot turn out a finished image.”

Walt
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Masking, including Luminosity Masking and all that goes with it.

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May 12, 2020 11:39:19   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Peanut-the-cat wrote:
Masking, including Luminosity Masking and all that goes with it.


You know that pesky problem of how the blue of the sky tends to shift cyan as it lightens toward the horizon? Lightroom's luminosity mask is a great and easy solution for that. This photo processed and finished in Lightroom uses four different masks including a luminosity mask and all that goes with it.

Joe


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May 12, 2020 11:40:14   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Whuff wrote:
In a previous topic where an O.P. asked what the best editing program was, a well respected and knowledgeable member said:

“ Lightroom is a good solution for editing raw and cataloging - and for processing 100s or 1000s of images at a time - but it does not and cannot turn out a finished image, at least not by creative director standards.“

This made me stop and wonder, since I don’t use Photoshop, why are my images that I mostly edit in Lightroom, with an occasional use of Nik filters or once in a while PS Elements, not finished? Of course, my standards don’t have to pass a creative director’s desk, so I simply edit to my own taste, but I’m wondering what more would I need to do in Photoshop, since apparently Lightroom “cannot turn out a finished image.”

Walt
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In answer to your thread title, "Nothing".

bwa

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May 12, 2020 11:58:42   #
Whuff Loc: Marshalltown, Iowa
 
LITTLEBIT wrote:
Is your Lightroom a subscription software?


No. I’m still using the stand alone version.

Walt

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May 12, 2020 12:05:16   #
Whuff Loc: Marshalltown, Iowa
 
I don’t know if anyone will bother reading this, 10 pages into the thread, but apparently there’s a lot of confusion over my question. I do know that PS can do a ton of things that Lr can’t, but I wasn’t asking what it can do that Lr can’t do. My question was more in the line of why would my photos not be considered finished if I don’t go into PS with them.

Walt

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May 12, 2020 12:23:40   #
Vanderpix Loc: New Jersey
 
Whuff wrote:
I don’t know if anyone will bother reading this, 10 pages into the thread, but apparently there’s a lot of confusion over my question. I do know that PS can do a ton of things that Lr can’t, but I wasn’t asking what it can do that Lr can’t do. My question was more in the line of why would my photos not be considered finished if I don’t go into PS with them.

Walt


After 10 pages l guess it depends on who you talk to. As you can see there are highly opinionated views from both sides. I follow two rules; If it is for pay, is it what the client wants; If it is for me, is it what I envisioned. How you get to either of these conclusions is up to you but as Kenny Rogers once said, you got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. In other words when you like the result the editing is done.

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May 12, 2020 12:36:31   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Once again it is funny how folks take a thread so personally they become aggressive.

It is not worth it folks.

We all have opinions, there is no question here. But quite frankly, does it matter if we do not agree? The key, for me, it to learn a bit more.

What folks do not seem to understand is that a hobbyist has a different approach to an amateur and these to categories would not make it in the professional world if their ego always come out.

Professionals have to answer to someone who purchase the work. The client may have hired specialists to direct, control (art director) in order to get exactly what they want. If you think a pro works by itself, you have an unpleasant surprise waiting for you: This is rarely the case. I have been on shoots that involved many folks, working as a team.

THAT is the issue, being to work as a team, compromise when needed, be firm when also needed but in no case one will throw his boards up in the air and say: I QUIT!!! If one does that, good luck finding another job.

So, if deciding what software is best can provoke a temper tantrum, quite frankly, those who are upset can take a break smell the roses and if this is not enough, take a damned pill or better yet, 'UNWATCH'.
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May 12, 2020 12:36:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Longshadow wrote:


For some, there is only one way, their way?


My way or the highway.

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May 12, 2020 12:40:21   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Whuff wrote:
I don’t know if anyone will bother reading this, 10 pages into the thread, but apparently there’s a lot of confusion over my question. I do know that PS can do a ton of things that Lr can’t, but I wasn’t asking what it can do that Lr can’t do. My question was more in the line of why would my photos not be considered finished if I don’t go into PS with them.

Walt


You do what you want. You stop when you want.

If you ask for feedback, comments, suggestions of what could be different or better, you will get comments here. Some will be helpful and constructive. Some will not. Choose to do this IF you want comments and suggestions as well as some inappropriate replies.

It's a way to learn. But, not everyone wants to learn. So be it.

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May 12, 2020 12:43:55   #
MJPerini
 
Photoshop is indeed the most powerful image Editor / Processor / Creator . It can do things that are difficult or impossible to do in other Applications.
But you only 'need' it if you find that there is something your image needs that is not possible in your editor of choice. Editors like LR and C1 are very capable and powerful and can and do create "finished images' for lots of fine photographers. If you get stuff right in the camera your image can be finished to a very high standard in applications other than Photoshop
If you need to add and blend stuff that was not in the original photograph (Compositing) or otherwise create other original additions to a finished image Nothing beats Photoshop. Which is why it is so heavily used in Advertising.
If you do more or less straight photography photoshop is not at all necessary. I was an Advertising photographer in NYC and we used Photoshop. I no longer use it, but it is the single most powerful 'image creation tool' But to imply that LR or C1 "CANNOT turn out a Finished Image" is the silliest kind of snobbery.
If you like using PS, that's great, no need to prescribe it for everyone.

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May 12, 2020 12:51:42   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Whuff wrote:
I don’t know if anyone will bother reading this, 10 pages into the thread, but apparently there’s a lot of confusion over my question. I do know that PS can do a ton of things that Lr can’t, but I wasn’t asking what it can do that Lr can’t do. My question was more in the line of why would my photos not be considered finished if I don’t go into PS with them.

Walt

What do you care about other folks idea of what is finished or not?

Are you not the decider?

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May 12, 2020 13:02:02   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Whuff wrote:
I don’t know if anyone will bother reading this, 10 pages into the thread, but apparently there’s a lot of confusion over my question. I do know that PS can do a ton of things that Lr can’t, but I wasn’t asking what it can do that Lr can’t do. My question was more in the line of why would my photos not be considered finished if I don’t go into PS with them.

Walt

They won't... bwa

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